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Besides this, there are reports from serious agencies (NASA is one of them) stating that what is happening on Amazon is on par with what has been happening at l

by wtdata 7y ago

Besides this, there are reports from serious agencies (NASA is one of them) stating that what is happening on Amazon is on par with what has been happening at least in the previous 15 years (I think that's how far their data goes). [1] I am lead to believe that all the media attention in this past week to the problem, is a mix of political staging and sensacionalism. If it was really due to environmental concerns, the same responses we are seeing now, would have already happened many years ago under Lula and Dilma governments, given that the scale of the problem is the same. [1] https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-bra...

Kye 7y ago
When would be an appropriate time for people to become aware of the problem and start caring? I don't see how the motivation matters. The problem is real even if most people weren't aware of it until now.
- wtdata 7y ago
  My point is that, at least other governments, were aware of it for a long time. In my opinion they are only raising the concern now for political gain (at least in cases like Macron). But I agree, let's do it now, it really needs to be done as soon as possible, but, it can't depend its continuation and the countries it gets applied to, on whatever political wing is in power there. The action needs to be global, with clear rules, and applied on every case, no exceptions.
- malandrew 7y ago
  > When would be an appropriate time for people to become aware of the problem and start caring? Now is as good a time as any. What doesn't help the discussion is making it about the current administration when this is a problem that spans multiple administrations on both ends of the political spectrum. It's the same for policies that span the Trump and Obama administrations (and probably the W Bush and Clinton administrations too).
dredmorbius 7y ago
Brasil's recently-elected fascistic president Bolsonaro has been fanning the flames, so to speak, as regards Amazon burning. That's attracted a sharp global response, including trade and financial actions. The political granstanding and sensationalising starts there.
- wtdata 7y ago
  The ecology of our planet doesn't care about the political leaning of whoever is burning their forests or polluting the planet. Global environment changes exactly the same when it was the hard-left of Lula and Dilma burning Amazon, or when it is now the hard-right of Bolsonaro doing the same. The real problem here, is that some people are only interested in hearing nice words from whoever is presiding a country, not in what consist the actual concrete actions of a government.
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    Whilst true action is preferred, lip service at least doesn't further encourage and shield further harmful activity, though it may impair true reforms. Though it may be an ironic truth that Bolsanaro's intransigence could bring about greater action through the international pressure. Something of a political equivalent of Cunningham's Law.
  - kikoreis 7y ago
    Hard left? Seriously. They were center left if anything.
namirez 7y ago
The report that you've cited is more than 10 days old which is like an eternity for a spreading wildfire. Here is a more recent report from the same source [1], published on Aug 19th. Here is the relevant part: >At this point in the fire season, MODIS active fire detections in 2019 are higher across the Brazilian Amazon than in any year since 2010. The state of Amazonas is on track for record fire activity in 2019. [1] https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145498/uptick-in-amazon-fire-activity-in-2019 https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145498/uptick-in-am...

by wtdata 7y ago

Kye 7y ago

When would be an appropriate time for people to become aware of the problem and start caring? I don't see how the motivation matters. The problem is real even if most people weren't aware of it until now.

wtdata 7y ago
My point is that, at least other governments, were aware of it for a long time. In my opinion they are only raising the concern now for political gain (at least in cases like Macron). But I agree, let's do it now, it really needs to be done as soon as possible, but, it can't depend its continuation and the countries it gets applied to, on whatever political wing is in power there. The action needs to be global, with clear rules, and applied on every case, no exceptions.
malandrew 7y ago
> When would be an appropriate time for people to become aware of the problem and start caring? Now is as good a time as any. What doesn't help the discussion is making it about the current administration when this is a problem that spans multiple administrations on both ends of the political spectrum. It's the same for policies that span the Trump and Obama administrations (and probably the W Bush and Clinton administrations too).

dredmorbius 7y ago

Brasil's recently-elected fascistic president Bolsonaro has been fanning the flames, so to speak, as regards Amazon burning. That's attracted a sharp global response, including trade and financial actions. The political granstanding and sensationalising starts there.

wtdata 7y ago
The ecology of our planet doesn't care about the political leaning of whoever is burning their forests or polluting the planet. Global environment changes exactly the same when it was the hard-left of Lula and Dilma burning Amazon, or when it is now the hard-right of Bolsonaro doing the same. The real problem here, is that some people are only interested in hearing nice words from whoever is presiding a country, not in what consist the actual concrete actions of a government.
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  Whilst true action is preferred, lip service at least doesn't further encourage and shield further harmful activity, though it may impair true reforms. Though it may be an ironic truth that Bolsanaro's intransigence could bring about greater action through the international pressure. Something of a political equivalent of Cunningham's Law.
- kikoreis 7y ago
  Hard left? Seriously. They were center left if anything.

namirez 7y ago

The report that you've cited is more than 10 days old which is like an eternity for a spreading wildfire. Here is a more recent report from the same source [1], published on Aug 19th. Here is the relevant part: >At this point in the fire season, MODIS active fire detections in 2019 are higher across the Brazilian Amazon than in any year since 2010. The state of Amazonas is on track for record fire activity in 2019. [1] https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145498/uptick-in-amazon-fire-activity-in-2019 https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145498/uptick-in-am...