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We Americans are not lost because power is taken away from the Federal government. The states (or even more local authorities) should be in charge of this. Ask

by ph33t 7y ago

We Americans are not lost because power is taken away from the Federal government. The states (or even more local authorities) should be in charge of this. Ask someone from sparsely populated northern Minnesota what they think when their cattle are slaughtered by wolves that are over-populated because people in the big cities dictate law.

iron0013 7y ago
I'm from northern Minnesota. I'm dead-set against wolf hunting and trapping and so are my friends from the area. The idea that wolves are "over-populated" up north is a laughable fiction. Since we're on the topic of environmental issues in northern MN, one thing that has upset almost everyone in the area is Trump allowing foreign companies to start mining in the Boundary Waters, an area that is near-univerally cherished by Minnesotans for its undisturbed nature (including its wolf packs!). If you're not a Minnesotan, don't try to speak for us. If you are a Minnesotan, I contend that your perspective reflects only a relatively small minority of us, even among rural northern Minnesotans (like my family and friends!)
debatem1 7y ago
The power to make law regarding wolves already belongs to the state, as grey wolves lost federal protection earlier this year. Independent of that, ranchers are compensated for killed, wounded, and spooked cattle under the pay-for-presence program and similar. The rates are favorable to the point of being a cash grab, and there have been numerous cases of fraud where ranchers claimed kills that simply didn't happen. Independent of that, the federal government has poured subsidies into ranching for decades, to the tune of about $30,000 per rancher per year. Even if they weren't compensated for lost livestock, on balance ranchers are far better off with the feds than they would be on their own. But you don't hear about that because, frankly, the ranchers are spoiled rotten. When something benefits them they accept it without thought, and when it doesn't, well, they either howl in protest on the internet or outright take up arms against the federal government in one of the most poetic examples of "biting the hand that feeds you" which I can name.

by ph33t 7y ago

iron0013 7y ago

I'm from northern Minnesota. I'm dead-set against wolf hunting and trapping and so are my friends from the area. The idea that wolves are "over-populated" up north is a laughable fiction. Since we're on the topic of environmental issues in northern MN, one thing that has upset almost everyone in the area is Trump allowing foreign companies to start mining in the Boundary Waters, an area that is near-univerally cherished by Minnesotans for its undisturbed nature (including its wolf packs!). If you're not a Minnesotan, don't try to speak for us. If you are a Minnesotan, I contend that your perspective reflects only a relatively small minority of us, even among rural northern Minnesotans (like my family and friends!)

debatem1 7y ago

The power to make law regarding wolves already belongs to the state, as grey wolves lost federal protection earlier this year. Independent of that, ranchers are compensated for killed, wounded, and spooked cattle under the pay-for-presence program and similar. The rates are favorable to the point of being a cash grab, and there have been numerous cases of fraud where ranchers claimed kills that simply didn't happen. Independent of that, the federal government has poured subsidies into ranching for decades, to the tune of about $30,000 per rancher per year. Even if they weren't compensated for lost livestock, on balance ranchers are far better off with the feds than they would be on their own. But you don't hear about that because, frankly, the ranchers are spoiled rotten. When something benefits them they accept it without thought, and when it doesn't, well, they either howl in protest on the internet or outright take up arms against the federal government in one of the most poetic examples of "biting the hand that feeds you" which I can name.