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Exactly- if work doesn't pay, they don't get to play on my phone. I'd be willing to check work email sporadically, and it's unfortunate that doing so in any cap

by mti27 7y ago

Exactly- if work doesn't pay, they don't get to play on my phone. I'd be willing to check work email sporadically, and it's unfortunate that doing so in any capacity means allowing an unknown admin "wipe my phone" privileges. Companies don't handle that stuff with any sort of finesse and mistakes happen. Ultimately email on a phone may be a moot point for software developers: We use more independent chat apps like Slack, no one worries about texting you, and it's hard to do anything really more involved than messaging without opening your laptop (which probably is provided by work).

lugg 7y ago
Slack, on my phone? Are you nuts? If you want me after hours you call. Thats the only option you have.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Exactly. Your employer is not going to enforce boundaries to ensure healthy work/life balance for you, you must do it yourself (until labor regulations catch up; see France [1] and NYC [2] labor law regarding checking email outside of work hours for examples). [1] https://newatlas.com/right-to-disconnect-after-hours-work-emails/55879/ https://newatlas.com/right-to-disconnect-after-hours-work-em... [2] https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3458217&GUID=8930D471-5788-4AF4-B960-54620B2535F7&Options=ID%7CText%7C&Search=disconnect https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3...
- scarejunba 7y ago
  Slack has work hours. After that nothing notifies me. FWIW I use Slack to keep in touch with other groups of people too. It’s actually quite good.
- zippergz 7y ago
  Are you, with a straight face, saying that you'd rather receive a PHONE CALL than a notification from an app that you can set time-sensitive notification methods for (i.e. DND overnight, etc.)? I'm not fan of getting any kind of work message outside of working hours, but I'd FAR rather let my co-workers send me a slack message that I can ignore and/or deal with when I feel like it than call me on the phone. No one at my office except my direct manager and HR has my phone number (and in the 5+ years I've worked here), no one has called me on it.
  - egypturnash 7y ago
    At least on iOS, Do Not Disturb covers phone calls, too. With the ability to set overrides for calls from Very Important Numbers. Voice mail exists as well.
    - Izkata 7y ago
      Android as well, it can allow starred contacts through.
    - briandear 7y ago
      Voicemail? How tedious. A Slack message is far preferable. Nothing stopping you from setting do not disturb in Slack.
  - dhruvmittal 7y ago
    You're not wrong, but there's also the filter of "is this a real emergency or could this be an email he'll see tomorrow morning?" that goes through the coworker's head when his options are call vs. email. And, at least in my position, if it is a real emergency I'd like to know. That said, other than a handful of coworkers who I'm friends with outside of work, only my manager & HR have my personal number. This adds an extra step where the coworker should determine if getting in touch with me immediately is actually worth the effort. So far, I've received one such phone call in 3 years. It was an actual emergency, and easily resolved by me at that time because they called me. If they had waited until the next working day, the issue would have blown up and taken much more effort for me to resolve. This might alternatively be an argument for working with people who respect your time.
    - lugg 7y ago
      Pretty much this, it's an instant bullshit filter. If I were to ever receive so many phone calls it becomes a problem I'll solve that problem. Right now I've had all of zero calls this year so I think I'll be right for the moment.
  - Fnoord 7y ago
    Yes I do. Why? It raises the bar. Its all too easy to whisper someone via electronic communication. If you need to get to speak to the person, and they hear my kid yelling at the background, perhaps they'll wonder if I got other things to do in my leisure time. Furthermore, I don't find it particularly bright to host sensitive data by such a vague company. Bonus negative points for the infosec community using such.

by mti27 7y ago

lugg 7y ago

Slack, on my phone? Are you nuts? If you want me after hours you call. Thats the only option you have.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Exactly. Your employer is not going to enforce boundaries to ensure healthy work/life balance for you, you must do it yourself (until labor regulations catch up; see France [1] and NYC [2] labor law regarding checking email outside of work hours for examples). [1] https://newatlas.com/right-to-disconnect-after-hours-work-emails/55879/ https://newatlas.com/right-to-disconnect-after-hours-work-em... [2] https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3458217&GUID=8930D471-5788-4AF4-B960-54620B2535F7&Options=ID%7CText%7C&Search=disconnect https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3...
scarejunba 7y ago
Slack has work hours. After that nothing notifies me. FWIW I use Slack to keep in touch with other groups of people too. It’s actually quite good.
zippergz 7y ago
Are you, with a straight face, saying that you'd rather receive a PHONE CALL than a notification from an app that you can set time-sensitive notification methods for (i.e. DND overnight, etc.)? I'm not fan of getting any kind of work message outside of working hours, but I'd FAR rather let my co-workers send me a slack message that I can ignore and/or deal with when I feel like it than call me on the phone. No one at my office except my direct manager and HR has my phone number (and in the 5+ years I've worked here), no one has called me on it.
- egypturnash 7y ago
  At least on iOS, Do Not Disturb covers phone calls, too. With the ability to set overrides for calls from Very Important Numbers. Voice mail exists as well.
  - Izkata 7y ago
    Android as well, it can allow starred contacts through.
  - briandear 7y ago
    Voicemail? How tedious. A Slack message is far preferable. Nothing stopping you from setting do not disturb in Slack.
- dhruvmittal 7y ago
  You're not wrong, but there's also the filter of "is this a real emergency or could this be an email he'll see tomorrow morning?" that goes through the coworker's head when his options are call vs. email. And, at least in my position, if it is a real emergency I'd like to know. That said, other than a handful of coworkers who I'm friends with outside of work, only my manager & HR have my personal number. This adds an extra step where the coworker should determine if getting in touch with me immediately is actually worth the effort. So far, I've received one such phone call in 3 years. It was an actual emergency, and easily resolved by me at that time because they called me. If they had waited until the next working day, the issue would have blown up and taken much more effort for me to resolve. This might alternatively be an argument for working with people who respect your time.
  - lugg 7y ago
    Pretty much this, it's an instant bullshit filter. If I were to ever receive so many phone calls it becomes a problem I'll solve that problem. Right now I've had all of zero calls this year so I think I'll be right for the moment.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  Yes I do. Why? It raises the bar. Its all too easy to whisper someone via electronic communication. If you need to get to speak to the person, and they hear my kid yelling at the background, perhaps they'll wonder if I got other things to do in my leisure time. Furthermore, I don't find it particularly bright to host sensitive data by such a vague company. Bonus negative points for the infosec community using such.