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another rust hype article. with all that, readers of likes of hn, certainly would have a skewed view of industry.

mcqueenjordan 7y ago
Your comment isn't useful. Anything that ever becomes something was at one point nothing. Rust gets attention because it's doing new things. Important new things.
- rgoulter 7y ago
  Yeah. www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html In Python Paradox, the author argues that it's a signal of quality that someone would take the time/effort to learn Python. (Python is new and wouldn't land them a job). Now in 2019, Python is popular. But I think it's fair to say instead that Rust wouldn't be a good choice if you wanted to get a job using a language which is popular in the industry.
  - AlexCoventry 7y ago
    It would be if you wanted to get a job with people who value developer ergonomics, though.
  - paavohtl 7y ago
    From my experience people learning Rust are not people who are learning a language to get a job. They are usually experienced developers with jobs who know at least couple of languages, and learn Rust to expand their toolbox.
    - ps101 7y ago
      I'm learning Rust because: 1. I want to add a low(er) level language to the ones I already know and use. 2. Though I did some C/C++ in high school, getting really into depth with C++ at the moment seems really daunting. 3. I don't need it for a job at this point so I can afford to learn a less popular language that can potentially have a future and which exposes you to new ways of thinking about code.
  - asdkhadsj 7y ago
    How common is it these days to hire for languages, anyway? In my case with the devs I hire the only thing I care is that they want to work in a class of languages, like frontend or backend, and that they're not super picky. I'm hiring people to solve problems for a living. I have full confidence that anyone I hire can learn any language I throw at them. My job (when hiring) is to make sure they'll want to work in the area, maybe a footnote about the language (if even known), but that's all. Why does language matter so much to some people (as far as hiring goes).
- sittingnut 7y ago
  my comment may not be "useful"(decided by who?), but it's true. hence the intolerant hate against it. btw what described in article isn't "doing new things", certainly not "important new things". also most times, "nothing" doesn't "become something", but remains nothing.
kbenson 7y ago
HN is not a historical archive, much less one of how used programming languages are. Rust is interesting to a lot of people because it's fundamentally different in a few aspects than most other languages, and that difference also happens to coincide with some people's complaints about how hard it is to program safe systems. I'm not really sure what you're expecting. Haskell gets a vastly disproportionate amount of time here compared to it's actual usage also, and PHP gets almost no coverage at all, but we all know it's out there in force, and so are the people that program it. Should we be pushing for a lot more PHP content? What about COBOL content? That's still in use, and I can't remember the last time I saw a submission about that.
steveklabnik 7y ago
Notably, PingCAP is a company, in industry, deploying Rust at scale, and basing this information off of said deployment.
crispinb 7y ago
This is a peculiar comment. Why would you think readers are seeking a balanced 'view of the industry' here? HN is much less bland than that. The guidelines have a view on what's relevant content here: If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Do you have some particular animus against Rust, or do you think it's some sort of general rule that developers should learn only the 'top 5' 'industry' languages? I've started learning Rust, for a few reasons: - I read a couple of chapters of Steve Klabnik and Carol Nichols' excellent "The Rust Programming Language" a while back and enjoyed it so much just as a book that I promised myself I'd read the whole thing when I had time. Now I do, so I am. - Rust instantiates some concepts that I'm familiar with but only at a vague hand-wavy level. Learning it is educational (for me). - Rust is used in some open-source projects I'd like to contribute to if I can. - I have a couple of personal project ideas in disparate areas (wasm, embedded) that Rust seems well suited for It's quite likely I'll never use Rust in a job. So what?

Your comment isn't useful. Anything that ever becomes something was at one point nothing. Rust gets attention because it's doing new things. Important new things.

rgoulter 7y ago
Yeah. www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html In Python Paradox, the author argues that it's a signal of quality that someone would take the time/effort to learn Python. (Python is new and wouldn't land them a job). Now in 2019, Python is popular. But I think it's fair to say instead that Rust wouldn't be a good choice if you wanted to get a job using a language which is popular in the industry.
- AlexCoventry 7y ago
  It would be if you wanted to get a job with people who value developer ergonomics, though.
- paavohtl 7y ago
  From my experience people learning Rust are not people who are learning a language to get a job. They are usually experienced developers with jobs who know at least couple of languages, and learn Rust to expand their toolbox.
  - ps101 7y ago
    I'm learning Rust because: 1. I want to add a low(er) level language to the ones I already know and use. 2. Though I did some C/C++ in high school, getting really into depth with C++ at the moment seems really daunting. 3. I don't need it for a job at this point so I can afford to learn a less popular language that can potentially have a future and which exposes you to new ways of thinking about code.
- asdkhadsj 7y ago
  How common is it these days to hire for languages, anyway? In my case with the devs I hire the only thing I care is that they want to work in a class of languages, like frontend or backend, and that they're not super picky. I'm hiring people to solve problems for a living. I have full confidence that anyone I hire can learn any language I throw at them. My job (when hiring) is to make sure they'll want to work in the area, maybe a footnote about the language (if even known), but that's all. Why does language matter so much to some people (as far as hiring goes).
sittingnut 7y ago
my comment may not be "useful"(decided by who?), but it's true. hence the intolerant hate against it. btw what described in article isn't "doing new things", certainly not "important new things". also most times, "nothing" doesn't "become something", but remains nothing.

kbenson 7y ago

HN is not a historical archive, much less one of how used programming languages are. Rust is interesting to a lot of people because it's fundamentally different in a few aspects than most other languages, and that difference also happens to coincide with some people's complaints about how hard it is to program safe systems. I'm not really sure what you're expecting. Haskell gets a vastly disproportionate amount of time here compared to it's actual usage also, and PHP gets almost no coverage at all, but we all know it's out there in force, and so are the people that program it. Should we be pushing for a lot more PHP content? What about COBOL content? That's still in use, and I can't remember the last time I saw a submission about that.

steveklabnik 7y ago

Notably, PingCAP is a company, in industry, deploying Rust at scale, and basing this information off of said deployment.

crispinb 7y ago

This is a peculiar comment. Why would you think readers are seeking a balanced 'view of the industry' here? HN is much less bland than that. The guidelines have a view on what's relevant content here: If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Do you have some particular animus against Rust, or do you think it's some sort of general rule that developers should learn only the 'top 5' 'industry' languages? I've started learning Rust, for a few reasons: - I read a couple of chapters of Steve Klabnik and Carol Nichols' excellent "The Rust Programming Language" a while back and enjoyed it so much just as a book that I promised myself I'd read the whole thing when I had time. Now I do, so I am. - Rust instantiates some concepts that I'm familiar with but only at a vague hand-wavy level. Learning it is educational (for me). - Rust is used in some open-source projects I'd like to contribute to if I can. - I have a couple of personal project ideas in disparate areas (wasm, embedded) that Rust seems well suited for It's quite likely I'll never use Rust in a job. So what?