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Yes, Home ownership is seen as the pinnacle of social status. This is stupid and people should rethink this preconceived notion. In the bay area for example it

Yes, Home ownership is seen as the pinnacle of social status. This is stupid and people should rethink this preconceived notion. In the bay area for example it doesn't make ANY sense to buy right now (Price to rent ratio, google it) but still people are flocking on every shitty apartment on sale. That's because they want to feel that little ego boost when they say they are "homeowners".

fizzbuzz123 7y ago
So the Tax advantages and building equity are worthless and play no part in peoples desire to buy instead of rent. Ok
- warp_factor 7y ago
  you should search what "opportunity cost" means. The market is highly inflated compared to other investments because people are blindly buying without thinking at almost any stupid price. Your comment is a perfect example of that.
  - fizzbuzz123 7y ago
    >Yes, Home ownership is seen as the pinnacle of social status. This is stupid and people should rethink this preconceived notion. Your comment said that home ownership was only an ego booster implying there is no value besides that. That is obviously false. Whether the valley is in a bubble or not is irrelevant to your point. You sound like a sad renter and landlord bootlicker trying to rationalize your failure to own.
  - malvosenior 7y ago
    You can leverage your money much better with a mortgage though. You just need a small down payment, but you get the upside (and downside) on the entire value of the home. I'd also argue that most other assets are also highly inflated. The P/E on most tech stocks for instance looks a lot scarier than the overall real estate market. I'll add that people have been saying the Bay Area housing bubble will pop for over 30 years. It hasn't yet.
    - warp_factor 7y ago
      This is a bet on the future price of the home. And a lot of simulations have shown that you will come ahead in stocks unless you are in an exceptional growing market and not moving for at least 5 years. There is a huge lobby in society to convince you that owning a home is the way to go (banks, real estate agent, other homeowners and people repeating this nonsense all the time). Don't let this fool you and make the calculations before buying anything.
      - malvosenior 7y ago
        I didn't say you could leverage it to guaranteed success, just that you can leverage a far larger amount of capital. That of course means larger risk along with the larger reward. No one is going to loan you 300k to invest in the stock market but they will to buy a house.
pm90 7y ago
People will flock until they can’t and that’s when the bubble starts popping. All the sfba homeowners who bought for cheap but are now sitting on millions of dollars of property could easily make a tidy sum if they were willing to sell for less but they will feel like they left money on the table. Ultimately when the bubble pops, everyone will sell for less but they will all think it’s perfectly rational because the “market is down”. I don’t get that perspective at all. Buy low and sell high, within reason.

fizzbuzz123 7y ago

So the Tax advantages and building equity are worthless and play no part in peoples desire to buy instead of rent. Ok

warp_factor 7y ago
you should search what "opportunity cost" means. The market is highly inflated compared to other investments because people are blindly buying without thinking at almost any stupid price. Your comment is a perfect example of that.
- fizzbuzz123 7y ago
  >Yes, Home ownership is seen as the pinnacle of social status. This is stupid and people should rethink this preconceived notion. Your comment said that home ownership was only an ego booster implying there is no value besides that. That is obviously false. Whether the valley is in a bubble or not is irrelevant to your point. You sound like a sad renter and landlord bootlicker trying to rationalize your failure to own.
- malvosenior 7y ago
  You can leverage your money much better with a mortgage though. You just need a small down payment, but you get the upside (and downside) on the entire value of the home. I'd also argue that most other assets are also highly inflated. The P/E on most tech stocks for instance looks a lot scarier than the overall real estate market. I'll add that people have been saying the Bay Area housing bubble will pop for over 30 years. It hasn't yet.
  - warp_factor 7y ago
    This is a bet on the future price of the home. And a lot of simulations have shown that you will come ahead in stocks unless you are in an exceptional growing market and not moving for at least 5 years. There is a huge lobby in society to convince you that owning a home is the way to go (banks, real estate agent, other homeowners and people repeating this nonsense all the time). Don't let this fool you and make the calculations before buying anything.
    - malvosenior 7y ago
      I didn't say you could leverage it to guaranteed success, just that you can leverage a far larger amount of capital. That of course means larger risk along with the larger reward. No one is going to loan you 300k to invest in the stock market but they will to buy a house.

pm90 7y ago

People will flock until they can’t and that’s when the bubble starts popping. All the sfba homeowners who bought for cheap but are now sitting on millions of dollars of property could easily make a tidy sum if they were willing to sell for less but they will feel like they left money on the table. Ultimately when the bubble pops, everyone will sell for less but they will all think it’s perfectly rational because the “market is down”. I don’t get that perspective at all. Buy low and sell high, within reason.