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I don't have a fixed view on the issue of Palestine and Israel. Doesn't Israel have military control over the West Bank?

Samuel_Michon 16y ago
Israel also has military control over the Negev (Southern District). Few would say that Israel 'occupies' that region -- just like England doesn't 'occupy' Sussex. I have no opinion about what to do with the West Bank, but by saying that it is 'occupied' by Israel, I feel you're implying that Israel's presence there is unjustified.
- VB6_Forever 16y ago
  The people of Sussex have long felt themselves to belong to the English nation. Israel captured the West bank in a war. I doubt that the population of the west bank will ever be assimilated and become patriotic Israelis. Religion, let alone nationalism, guarantees this I'd say. Israel (and the US) will eventually tire of having to use the army to control the population. Eventually Israel will have to give it up imo
  - Samuel_Michon 16y ago
    "Israel captured the West bank in a war." Israel captured it from Jordan in 1967, which had taken it in 1948. Jordan's occupance was recognized by practically noone. Up until that time, it had been part of the British Mandate of 1922, which was an international effort to create a Jewish state. "The territory now known as the West Bank was a part of the British Mandate of Palestine entrusted to the United Kingdom by the League of Nations after World War I. The terms of the Mandate called for the creation in Palestine of a Jewish national home without prejudicing the civil and religious rights of the non-Jewish population of Palestine. During that time the area was called by the historic names of its two regions -- Judea and Samaria." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_bank#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_bank#History "Judea (from the Hebrew: יהודה, "Tribe of Judah") was the name of the mountainous southern part of the historic Land of Israel." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea "Samaria (Hebrew: שֹׁמְרוֹן‎) is a term used for a mountainous region roughly corresponding to the northern part of the West Bank. [..] "Samaria" derives from an ancient city of the same name, which was located near the south of Samaria, and was the capital of the Kingdom of Israel." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samari
    - Andrew_Quentin 16y ago
      Had taken it in 1948 from who? Also, remind everyone, when was Israel created? Furthermore, isn't the article about Gaza at least partially also, and, isn't Gaza some sort of prison? Finally, is Israel not actually occupying these territories? I mean, is West Bank Israel and by the same token is Gaza Israel too?
      - Samuel_Michon 16y ago
        "Had taken it in 1948 from who?" Jordan took the West Bank when the British Mandate was terminated. The international community had designated it to become part of the Jewish National Home. This is also why practically noone acknowledged Jordan's rule of the West Bank. Before 1946, Jordan itself was part of the British Mandate. It was separated to create a country where Arabs from the region could live, whereas Palestine would become the Jewish National Home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#Termination_of_the_Mandate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#Te... "Also, remind everyone, when was Israel created?" About 1000 BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_%28united_monarchy%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_%28united_mon... "isn't the article about Gaza at least partially also?" Sure, and Gaza was part of the British Mandate as well. In 1922 it was designated to become part of the Jewish National Home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza#British_Mandate_period http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza#British_Mandate...
        VB6_Forever 16y ago
        I don't think using ancient history, however well recorded it is or isn't is a good way to decide who owns what. We all came from somewhere else if you go back far enough. The Jews aren't the only ones with historical links to Palestine. It's not just ludicrous it's evil to suggest that white Europeans or Black Ethiopians on the basis of their religion or part of their racial heritage have more right to the territory of Palestine than Palestinians do.
        Samuel_Michon 16y ago

Samuel_Michon 16y ago

Israel also has military control over the Negev (Southern District). Few would say that Israel 'occupies' that region -- just like England doesn't 'occupy' Sussex. I have no opinion about what to do with the West Bank, but by saying that it is 'occupied' by Israel, I feel you're implying that Israel's presence there is unjustified.

VB6_Forever 16y ago
The people of Sussex have long felt themselves to belong to the English nation. Israel captured the West bank in a war. I doubt that the population of the west bank will ever be assimilated and become patriotic Israelis. Religion, let alone nationalism, guarantees this I'd say. Israel (and the US) will eventually tire of having to use the army to control the population. Eventually Israel will have to give it up imo
- Samuel_Michon 16y ago
  "Israel captured the West bank in a war." Israel captured it from Jordan in 1967, which had taken it in 1948. Jordan's occupance was recognized by practically noone. Up until that time, it had been part of the British Mandate of 1922, which was an international effort to create a Jewish state. "The territory now known as the West Bank was a part of the British Mandate of Palestine entrusted to the United Kingdom by the League of Nations after World War I. The terms of the Mandate called for the creation in Palestine of a Jewish national home without prejudicing the civil and religious rights of the non-Jewish population of Palestine. During that time the area was called by the historic names of its two regions -- Judea and Samaria." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_bank#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_bank#History "Judea (from the Hebrew: יהודה, "Tribe of Judah") was the name of the mountainous southern part of the historic Land of Israel." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea "Samaria (Hebrew: שֹׁמְרוֹן‎) is a term used for a mountainous region roughly corresponding to the northern part of the West Bank. [..] "Samaria" derives from an ancient city of the same name, which was located near the south of Samaria, and was the capital of the Kingdom of Israel." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samari
  - Andrew_Quentin 16y ago
    Had taken it in 1948 from who? Also, remind everyone, when was Israel created? Furthermore, isn't the article about Gaza at least partially also, and, isn't Gaza some sort of prison? Finally, is Israel not actually occupying these territories? I mean, is West Bank Israel and by the same token is Gaza Israel too?
    - Samuel_Michon 16y ago
      "Had taken it in 1948 from who?" Jordan took the West Bank when the British Mandate was terminated. The international community had designated it to become part of the Jewish National Home. This is also why practically noone acknowledged Jordan's rule of the West Bank. Before 1946, Jordan itself was part of the British Mandate. It was separated to create a country where Arabs from the region could live, whereas Palestine would become the Jewish National Home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#Termination_of_the_Mandate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#Te... "Also, remind everyone, when was Israel created?" About 1000 BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_%28united_monarchy%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_%28united_mon... "isn't the article about Gaza at least partially also?" Sure, and Gaza was part of the British Mandate as well. In 1922 it was designated to become part of the Jewish National Home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza#British_Mandate_period http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza#British_Mandate...
      - VB6_Forever 16y ago
        I don't think using ancient history, however well recorded it is or isn't is a good way to decide who owns what. We all came from somewhere else if you go back far enough. The Jews aren't the only ones with historical links to Palestine. It's not just ludicrous it's evil to suggest that white Europeans or Black Ethiopians on the basis of their religion or part of their racial heritage have more right to the territory of Palestine than Palestinians do.
        Samuel_Michon 16y ago