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Nobody is bowing to your tyrannical world view. It stops here.

by suff 7y ago

Bakary 7y ago
I'm not exactly sure what your comment is even supposed to mean, but I'll bite. Maybe my predictions will turn out to be dead wrong, but as it stands it's unlikely that anyone is willing or prepared to stop what China is doing, and it's unlikely that Hong Kong is going to last very long because they have less and less power as time goes by. I personally am a lot more sympathetic to HK's struggle, and I encourage people to take to the streets because it is very likely to be their last stand. They certainly have more balls than I do. But life isn't like a movie and I'm pretty pessimistic about their chances. If there is tyranny, it's just that it always comes down to power in the end. Freedom and the rule of law work well because they have made it easier for a society to flourish over the long term, but if conditions change so can their effectiveness. I wouldn't be surprised if human rights disappear like a puff of smoke if the 99% lose their bargaining power because of automation.
- suff 7y ago
  There is too much at stake to stand back and be a pessimist. If our response to it affects the outcome in any way, then for the good of everyone we need to resist with all our might, not give in to appeasement. There were many in the UK who wanted peace treaties with Germany in WW2 etc. There will always be an impulse to step back and do nothing, but they were on the wrong side of history.
tepidandroid 7y ago
This is kind of a childish comment. What authority do you have to stop someone from freely expressing their opinion?
- atjd 7y ago
  Actually, the fake news these days make me re-think the concept of `free speech`. Firstly, More free speech sometimes means more fake news. Creating and spreading false or biased news are so easy, as the society goes, the problem we deal become more and more complicate, if we cannot get the right info and we do not possess the right mind how come expect us to make a ration decision, we all know what happened to Galileo, can anyone say what they did to Galileo is undemocratic. Secondly, the common crowd are not that care about the truth, i discussed with a few people lives in HK through the internet, they actually do not know anything about the extradition law, and they still went to the protest. This is why I do not believe in any form of direct democracy.
  - suff 7y ago
    ... says the paid troll sitting in China...
    - tepidandroid 7y ago
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dang 7y ago
We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Nobody is bowing to your tyrannical world view. It stops here.

by suff 7y ago

Nobody is bowing to your tyrannical world view. It stops here.

I'm not exactly sure what your comment is even supposed to mean, but I'll bite. Maybe my predictions will turn out to be dead wrong, but as it stands it's unlikely that anyone is willing or prepared to stop what China is doing, and it's unlikely that Hong Kong is going to last very long because they have less and less power as time goes by. I personally am a lot more sympathetic to HK's struggle, and I encourage people to take to the streets because it is very likely to be their last stand. They certainly have more balls than I do. But life isn't like a movie and I'm pretty pessimistic about their chances. If there is tyranny, it's just that it always comes down to power in the end. Freedom and the rule of law work well because they have made it easier for a society to flourish over the long term, but if conditions change so can their effectiveness. I wouldn't be surprised if human rights disappear like a puff of smoke if the 99% lose their bargaining power because of automation.

suff 7y ago
There is too much at stake to stand back and be a pessimist. If our response to it affects the outcome in any way, then for the good of everyone we need to resist with all our might, not give in to appeasement. There were many in the UK who wanted peace treaties with Germany in WW2 etc. There will always be an impulse to step back and do nothing, but they were on the wrong side of history.

tepidandroid 7y ago

This is kind of a childish comment. What authority do you have to stop someone from freely expressing their opinion?

atjd 7y ago
Actually, the fake news these days make me re-think the concept of `free speech`. Firstly, More free speech sometimes means more fake news. Creating and spreading false or biased news are so easy, as the society goes, the problem we deal become more and more complicate, if we cannot get the right info and we do not possess the right mind how come expect us to make a ration decision, we all know what happened to Galileo, can anyone say what they did to Galileo is undemocratic. Secondly, the common crowd are not that care about the truth, i discussed with a few people lives in HK through the internet, they actually do not know anything about the extradition law, and they still went to the protest. This is why I do not believe in any form of direct democracy.
- suff 7y ago
  ... says the paid troll sitting in China...
  - tepidandroid 7y ago
    This is actually against comment guidelines: "Please don't make insinuations about astroturfing. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried, email us and we'll look at the data." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 7y ago

We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html