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It's not just the women's movement, any postmodern "leaderphobic" group of anti-heroes will operate under this adhocratic masking of power. It's still power, bu

by dosy 7y ago

It's not just the women's movement, any postmodern "leaderphobic" group of anti-heroes will operate under this adhocratic masking of power. It's still power, but it's the power-pill that palatable to their sensibilities, suitably masked. Marxist revolutions "of the peasants" pioneered this mass delusion of flattening. But isn't this just gaslighting people? I mean "flat" is just disempowering existing power structures, to empower a secretive cabal, that pretends to rule "benevolently" by consensus by usurping the existing "oppressive evil" but ends up just becoming worse. Prove you can actually be better, then come back and tell me how to. This article should have been called: "Afraid of Kings. How we tried and failed to get s*it done when we need to pander to everyone's leaderphobia." Bottom line is, this is not new hat. It's old hat. What I'd say to the author is: It's an adhorcracy. Read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom. Then come back and tell me how to.

tehjoker 7y ago
For what it's worth, most Marxists favor some form of democracy. The libertarian wing favors direct democracy while other tendencies favor different forms of representative democracy. Democracy is favored for exactly the reason that unclear power structures are a kind of oppression and that democracies broadly speaking offer decision making power to the people. A big difference between a Marxist and a liberal is in the analysis of the economic base of power which can either support or undermine democratic structures.
hybrids 7y ago
"Marxist revolutions 'of the peasants' pioneered this mass delusion of flattening." Ironically the Bolshevik revolution didn't really start out this way. The Bolsheviks advocated for a strict disciplined party model - if you've ever read what Lenin wrote of the Left-communists and Anarchists, it was clear that he was very much not mindlessly "against" structure. Of course, this would all eventually be liquidated by Stalin and Mao. "Flat" organizations rarely seek to deliberately create cabals and power cliques - they do inevitably occur, sure, but the call for flatness usually comes as a result of you not getting what you really want out of the system. Ulterior motives are not really at play; rather it is just a case of organic collapse.
- pyrale 7y ago
  On the topic of Lenin, one can read The state and revolution where he defends the need of a strong state in a communist regime, and this quote: "the people don't want freedom, they want power. Freedom ? What would they do with it ?!"
  - hybrids 7y ago
    I had just reread "State and Revolution" a few months ago and do not remember this quote. Do you mind linking to me where you found it?
siidooloo 7y ago
I think you’re making this more complex then it needs to be. There will always be sociopaths.
- dosy 7y ago
  Like you? It sounds like you got hurt in a flat structure and were thinking on that here. I feel sorry for you that happened to you.
danharaj 7y ago
Who ordered the word salad?
- dosy 7y ago
  You're the only one at the table, Sir. This delightful serving comes gratis with your side of bitter sous-word-chef greens. Shall I get you a second helping from the kitchen, Sir?

by dosy 7y ago

tehjoker 7y ago

For what it's worth, most Marxists favor some form of democracy. The libertarian wing favors direct democracy while other tendencies favor different forms of representative democracy. Democracy is favored for exactly the reason that unclear power structures are a kind of oppression and that democracies broadly speaking offer decision making power to the people. A big difference between a Marxist and a liberal is in the analysis of the economic base of power which can either support or undermine democratic structures.

hybrids 7y ago

"Marxist revolutions 'of the peasants' pioneered this mass delusion of flattening." Ironically the Bolshevik revolution didn't really start out this way. The Bolsheviks advocated for a strict disciplined party model - if you've ever read what Lenin wrote of the Left-communists and Anarchists, it was clear that he was very much not mindlessly "against" structure. Of course, this would all eventually be liquidated by Stalin and Mao. "Flat" organizations rarely seek to deliberately create cabals and power cliques - they do inevitably occur, sure, but the call for flatness usually comes as a result of you not getting what you really want out of the system. Ulterior motives are not really at play; rather it is just a case of organic collapse.

pyrale 7y ago
On the topic of Lenin, one can read The state and revolution where he defends the need of a strong state in a communist regime, and this quote: "the people don't want freedom, they want power. Freedom ? What would they do with it ?!"
- hybrids 7y ago
  I had just reread "State and Revolution" a few months ago and do not remember this quote. Do you mind linking to me where you found it?

siidooloo 7y ago

I think you’re making this more complex then it needs to be. There will always be sociopaths.

dosy 7y ago
Like you? It sounds like you got hurt in a flat structure and were thinking on that here. I feel sorry for you that happened to you.

danharaj 7y ago

Who ordered the word salad?

dosy 7y ago
You're the only one at the table, Sir. This delightful serving comes gratis with your side of bitter sous-word-chef greens. Shall I get you a second helping from the kitchen, Sir?