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>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This

>IMO the Leaf is a compromise car you choose in order to get an EV, whereas the TM3 is a better car in almost every way than anything else on the market, This is definitely your opinion. Experts agree that Tesla is a low quality luxury vehicle. Fans love it, but this is a known phenomenon with Jeep owners too. Jeep owners will forgive problems where other users would not.

w8vY7ER 7y ago
Ah, yes, experts.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  Yes, experts who have driven many cars, from many manufacturers at many price points over many years. Or you can go with the anonymous HackerNews account.
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  - throwayEngineer 7y ago
    Do you think that person is a Tesla Marketing account? They also posted about spacex
    - dang 7y ago
      This breaks the site guidelines. Please read them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ryanlol 7y ago
  Substitute “experts” with “anyone who has sat in a high end Audi, BMW or Mercedes” Teslas are fun to drive but awful to sit in.
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  - w8vY7ER 7y ago
    I've been siting in one for the past 18 months and 16,000 miles. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that you're completely wrong here!
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      Did you compare it to a similarly priced BMW or Mercedes? I’ve spent a plenty of time in all of them, the Tesla interior feels more like a Toyota than the German manufacturers.
zaroth 7y ago
It is outselling every other luxury car on the market right now, so if by “fans” you mean “car buyers” then I guess I agree? The WSJ review I read last year on the TM3 does not consider it “low quality”. I believe their words were “rainbow farting unicorn”. For a more recent example, the TM3 beat out the M3 in, of all places, Top Gear. Polarizing, to be sure. “Low quality” is, erm, highly opinionated. I would say it’s strictly better than my previous car (an Infinit) in every conceivable way. And yet, there are some people who say the panel gaps are a millimeter too wide. My wife’s GL450 does ride smoother, and it certainly is cozy (heated, ventilated, and massager seats?!) but then again, at 40k miles and a few months out of warranty I’m bringing her car to the shop tomorrow because the air suspension is indicating a “Malfunction”. Any guess on how much that’s going to run? Probably the GL450 is simply not a car you can reasonably own outside of warranty. I do have a bit of a similar concern about if the TM3 could fail in some unexpected and highly expensive fashion, as it’s a brand new platform, but only time will tell and so far it’s been flawless. The expensive parts also have excellent warranty coverage.

w8vY7ER 7y ago

Ah, yes, experts.

navigatesol 7y ago
Yes, experts who have driven many cars, from many manufacturers at many price points over many years. Or you can go with the anonymous HackerNews account.
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- throwayEngineer 7y ago
  Do you think that person is a Tesla Marketing account? They also posted about spacex
  - dang 7y ago
    This breaks the site guidelines. Please read them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
ryanlol 7y ago
Substitute “experts” with “anyone who has sat in a high end Audi, BMW or Mercedes” Teslas are fun to drive but awful to sit in.
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- w8vY7ER 7y ago
  I've been siting in one for the past 18 months and 16,000 miles. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that you're completely wrong here!
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    Did you compare it to a similarly priced BMW or Mercedes? I’ve spent a plenty of time in all of them, the Tesla interior feels more like a Toyota than the German manufacturers.

zaroth 7y ago

It is outselling every other luxury car on the market right now, so if by “fans” you mean “car buyers” then I guess I agree? The WSJ review I read last year on the TM3 does not consider it “low quality”. I believe their words were “rainbow farting unicorn”. For a more recent example, the TM3 beat out the M3 in, of all places, Top Gear. Polarizing, to be sure. “Low quality” is, erm, highly opinionated. I would say it’s strictly better than my previous car (an Infinit) in every conceivable way. And yet, there are some people who say the panel gaps are a millimeter too wide. My wife’s GL450 does ride smoother, and it certainly is cozy (heated, ventilated, and massager seats?!) but then again, at 40k miles and a few months out of warranty I’m bringing her car to the shop tomorrow because the air suspension is indicating a “Malfunction”. Any guess on how much that’s going to run? Probably the GL450 is simply not a car you can reasonably own outside of warranty. I do have a bit of a similar concern about if the TM3 could fail in some unexpected and highly expensive fashion, as it’s a brand new platform, but only time will tell and so far it’s been flawless. The expensive parts also have excellent warranty coverage.