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Hedge funds and intelligence agencies are fingerprinting all groups within our society by monitoring the responses of various target audiences to engineered sti
by 2Ccltvcm 7y ago
Hedge funds and intelligence agencies are fingerprinting all groups within our society by monitoring the responses of various target audiences to engineered stimuli. This comes in the form of observing the response to selective dissemination of content with a known effect on observers (you). A few years ago we heard about some outrage nobody did anything about when it became clear Facebook was manipulating reader emotional depression by showing some groups engineered posts. This has become a higher dimensional problem since then. It is no longer just "Facebook is making some groups of people sad." Now these orgs are reinforcing complex concepts in our minds subconsciously. One that comes to mind is a motif you will see in advertisements once you are more aware of it: strong healthy black man rescues white woman from a bumbling and pathetic white male. The whole point is to exploit fracture points in society and shift the overton window. Being able to establish behavioral patterns triggered by engineered information dissemination helps them control groups of people for their own benefit. It's a psychological intelligence operation on an unprecedented scale. Hedge funds stay ahead of new trends to invest in to maximize ROI. Intelligence agencies similarly identify threats to their power structures and steer the minds of the consumers of social media to further their agenda and steer the beliefs of any group in a controlled direction.
- nycdatasci 7y agoYour post is also an attempt to “reinforce complex concepts in our minds subconsciously” isn’t it? The entire field of marketing is an attempt to influence people to engage in a particular behavior. Why single out hedge funds and intelligence agencies?
- 2Ccltvcm 7y agoThe difference is those have the power to make dissidents vanish and make it seem like everything is perfect.
- jamespo 7y agoHedge funds make dissidents vanish?
- npongratz 7y agoI certainly wouldn't want to be on In-Q-Tel's bad side.
- luckylion 7y agoI mean, how large is the divide between large corporations and government agencies and the military really? PBSUCCESS was quite some time ago, but is there reason to believe that this has fundamentally changed? They certainly won't touch somebody for posting a negative yelp review, but if significant business interests align, does anybody doubt that people get vanished?
- overthemoon 7y agoThis is paranoid. I remember the story about Facebook doing emotional manipulation through the feed, but you go from there to hyper rich hedge funds and shadowy intelligence agencies at the reins of public life shaping the course of history through social media black magic. I don't doubt there are bad actors trying to do bad things via advertising and social media, but this is quite the claim. The rich and powerful are bad enough without adding internet/advertising mediated mind control to the mix. It's weird that the story you picked was a black man saving a white woman to describe the shift of the Overton Window. Where is the window moving to, and from where?
- somatic 7y agoI don’t know about you, but the Snowden Revelations dramatically shifted my baseline of “paranoid schizo”. Before, I thought the prospect utterly bananas that “the government” was tapping every phone call, strong-arming ISPs, and intercepting mail en route to its destination. Then I found myself in a rabbit hole of Tuskegee experiments, Operation Northwoodses, MKULTRAs, human-animal hybrids, and so on. Now, the question I ask is, “is this technologically possible?”
- everdrive 7y ago>Then I found myself in a rabbit hole of Tuskegee experiments, Operation Northwoodses, MKULTRAs, human-animal hybrids, and so on. These things aren't interrelated, or even very similar.
- somatic 7y agoSure they are: they’re all things which normal people wouldn’t do to other people, and in which the perpetrators weren’t punished. And by “normal people wouldn’t do to other people”, I mean “stark raving mad”.
- everdrive 7y agoI'm going to keep getting downvoted here, but it seems like people collect a bulleted list of spooky and bad things a government has done, and imply a meaningful connection via the act of simply listing the events together. So, in our same list we have: - A Cuban false flag operation with military intent. - A CIA Mind Control experiment which is implied to be widespread, but documents don't actually support this. Torturing a few hapless individuals with LSD is certainly terrible, but it's different from "widespread government control." - A terrible, scientific & racist medical experiment carried out against a vulnerable group of people. - And then, "human-animal hybrids" ... I'm not sure how to respond to this? A few folks in China did some questionable things, maybe? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. These are all disparate groups, with disparate intent, and unrelated outcome. Please, how are these related? Some people in power did some things are morally wrong? Why include conspiracy theories in this list if that's the only similarity? If you simply wanted to discuss government transgression, you could avoid something as trivial as MKULTA and instead simply mention U.S. Slavery, or the Soviet Famine, or any of the many government-run genocides in world history.
- orbat 7y ago"strong healthy black man rescues white woman from a bumbling and pathetic white male." Yeah, that… really doesn't sound as common a theme as you imply
- Simon_says 7y agoIt must be common in 2Ccltvcm's feed. Maybe the algorithm knows him a little too well.
- YUMad 7y agoIt is not common IRL, black male + white female is the 2nd least common interracial coupling. However, without going into who's pushing it, it is significantly more common in media than IRL.
- trophycase 7y agoMaybe not the black male part. But the "competent woman" and "bumbling helpless male" is an extremely common TV commercial trope once you're paying attention.
- krapp 7y agoIt's not really a commercial trope so much as a TV sitcom trope, going back at least as far as the Honeymooners. It's also not as common as it used to be, as far as I can tell. Edit: I've been thinking about it, and I don't think I can recall ever actually seeing "black male rescuing a white woman from a white male" being used in an advertisement, anywhere. Typically such a motif is used to present the black male as a threat, not as somehow heroically superior to his white counterpart. Even then I can only recall its use in political advertisements (such as the infamous "Willie Horton" ad) and maybe very old movies.
- TheTruth54321 7y agoLOL ... man-up.
- low_poly_shiba 7y agoDid a double take when I got to the white supremacist anxiety part
- 0x262d 7y agolol yep! what's sad about this is that I totally believe that fb is doing pretty manipulative things - they have the biggest incentive in the world to get people to buy things - and that it is probably adjacent to the level of manipulation this person is talking about. but then instead of realizing that for-profit companies are bad, some alienated people start thinking "maybe race mixing is the problem" instead, project that onto ads, and that's how you get white nationalism.
- ikeyany 7y ago> One that comes to mind is a motif you will see in advertisements once you are more aware of it: strong healthy black man rescues white woman from a bumbling and pathetic white male. Ads are generally tailored to the user's preferences.
- trophycase 7y agoGood joke but I think this applies mostly to TV advertising
- ikeyany 7y agoI wonder why advertisers would want to pit races against each other. What possible benefit could come from making people unhappy?
- chessturk 7y agoI'm not buying a lot of this "motif" usage stuff, but if you want to speak entirely speculatively, I'll bite. Marxism extensively argues that it is easiest to oppress people when you categorize them differently. An example would be how poor whites weakened the rights of free slaves in post Civil War America. Marx would argue the rich propagated racist beliefs to the poor whites who then limited the rights of other poor people. The end result is the poor limit their own democratic representation. Scientific Socialism is an essay by Engles (coauthor of the Commumist Manifesto) where he argues all oppression is based off of sexism (infantilization, dehumanization, objectification) and shows how the concepts of oppression are modified for race and class, so each group appears different but are actually the same. How this would apply to advertisers might be to preserve the status quo, or to make people feel bad to compulsively buy. Not saying I agree with every aspect of those arguments, but it is a well documented attempt at answering your question.
- tetraca 7y agoNo comment on the race aspect of this, but advertisers, marketers, and salespeople have always benefited from making people feel unhappy. It's one reason so many people loathe them. It's a very simple and common tactic you will see everywhere: Make the customer feel inadequate, then present the product as a solution to their inadequacy. You don't need to directly attack them as inadequate. You can simply present a scene, or situation and let the customer's own insecurities/lizard brain desires fill in the gaps to associate the product with a solution (e.g. a liquor commercial that shows a couple having a great time partying with friends).
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- Frondo 7y agoHN Admins: it's a bad look to leave a bit of white supremacist angst in one of the top comments of a thread on the front page. > "strong healthy black man rescues white woman from a bumbling and pathetic white male" I've already flagged the comment, but hopefully others will do so too; this kind of stuff really sticks out on a "hackers" forum.
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- Paradigma11 7y agoI would start taking these kind of arguments more seriously if Amazon stopped sending me washing machine ads AFTER i already bought one on Amazon. No, i am not becoming a washing mashine aficianado. You choose to believe the advertisments of advertising companies about their own power and efficacy. That these are dystopian to you is not relevant.
- Hermitian909 7y agoI see the line of "they showed me an ad for X after I bought one on their site!" thrown around a lot as a sign of incompetence, but the fact you made the purchase recently actually makes you a good target demographic. You wanted some good and paid money for it. There's is now a real chance that the good you bought did not meet your needs, it broke it sucks, etc. If so, you're a prime target for these ads. If it broke you're probably looking for a new brand, or maybe it just isn't that great and you're considering returning the item and making a new purchase. While you may not need one you're part of a demographic that responds well to these ads relative the rest of the population.
- sj3k 7y ago> strong healthy black man rescues white woman from a bumbling and pathetic white male. just why? every damn thread on this site these days has some racist bs.Youre projecting real hard.
- jiveturkey 7y agoi think you are severely underestimating the advertising "craft". it's insidious in ways exactly like this.