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This kind of thinking is why I have to dread the day someone calls me a white supremacist because of my Cirth tattoos. It's not even relevant to your viking no

by lagg 7y ago

This kind of thinking is why I have to dread the day someone calls me a white supremacist because of my Cirth tattoos. It's not even relevant to your viking nonsense. It's just LOTR. But people are being so submissive toward the peckerheads that they're just handing over entire spiritualities without a fight apparently and making it worse for people like me who aren't even in the fight. It's honestly pathetic. Heh. Edit: More on the point of being pathetic. Wouldn't the ancient pagans or vikings hate how pathetically submissive people are being here? Historical vikings weren't isolationist or racist from what evidence we have. By their nature they really couldn't be to grow their tribe. What next? Are you going to settle and accept that occultism and satanism is for white supremicists too? Further play into the hands of the Christian church? Manowar uses pagan symbology and runes in many of their songs, it's a very common thing in heavy metal. Are you going to play into the hands of the Christian church and let that be considered white supremacist too? Where does this cowardice end? Furthermore, even though at first I found paganism and viking lore highly interested. I'm beginning to sour of it. But purely because its adherents allowed it to be labeled in this way and therefore make me feel like I did something wrong for getting something from a fictional book. This is spiritual cowardice on a level so profound it affected fiction. Pathetic. Ugly and pathetic.

gnarbarian 7y ago
In a world where the media will gladly take the bait to claim the "OK sign" is a white supremacy symbol there's literally nothing you can do to avoid the absurd redefinition of symbols and words years down the road. just laugh at the hysteria and attempt to deprogram the people co-opted by this moral panic in your every day life.
- lagg 7y ago
  Regardless of whether or not the poster above was bringing up that tired comparison in good faith. The point must still be made. The ADL specifically says to evaluate all things in context. Note the similarities in the caution they advise while evaluating here. The people - the cowards, the milk drinkers, the tools of the christian church and establishment - in this thread making the unwise choice of submitting their spirituality to peckerheads wholesale. Would do well to take note of that advisory: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-h... https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/runic-writing-racist https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/runic-... I'm getting sick and tired of feeling bad for loving Tolkien because these so-called heathens and vikings are such fucking cowards. I'm in this thread giving your spirituality more defense than you are and I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT IT.
  - gnarbarian 7y ago
    Don't let your adversaries dictate the rules for what is acceptable unopposed.
forgottenpass 7y ago
>its adherents allowed it to be labeled in this way and therefore make me feel like I did something wrong for getting something from a fictional book. This is spiritual cowardice on a level so profound it affected fiction. Pathetic. Ugly and pathetic. Someone else should have done the hard work of defending the reputation, so you could enjoy their success? Are you sure you want to be calling them cowards from that position?
- lagg 7y ago
  (Foreward: I get the point you're trying to make, so please don't interpret as argumentative at you, forgottenpass) I enjoy Tolkien's success. This is the point I'm trying to make. I'm a bystander here and would not even be aware of pagans beyond a superficial level had it not been specifically for the fact that their adherents have failed so badly at keeping their own tribe in check. I found out about all of this long after I got the tattoos. But I still have to feel like a party to it for no reason but superficial resemblance of runic alphabets. And yet I'm the only one that seemed to have been interested to expand upon my position so far. There's at least 3 heathens here by my count. I guess I'm fine with the notion that I'm a bigger badass than a self-proclaimed viking in this sense. Why shouldn't I call them cowards if I'm more willing to step up for a fictional mythos than one they consider a real part of their daily lives? P.S. I am doing part of the hard work in defending their reputation for them by making a point about context. I will not feel like a bad person for wearing Cirth runes. And they will be with me forever, and I will happily discuss the difference with anyone who asks me. And when I do explain the difference it will start with "It's not actually norse or pagan, I know what you mean but those are dying niche religions used by rednecks and slavic meth heads, it sucks but you can't judge a writing system by it".
  - forgottenpass 7y ago
    >I'm a bystander here Are you? You might not be interested in the culture war, but the culture war is interested in you. >adherents have failed so badly at keeping their own tribe in check Keeping their "tribe in check" is a misnomer. They were annexed as the latest proxy battle in the larger cultural war. Why should the people deeper in the subculture have to take more ownership of that outcome than you do? It's not about the thing anymore, it's about branding the thing Team Edward or Team Jacob, and anyone who wants to go back to Team Not Getting Involved is run out on suspicion of vampirism/werewolfism.

by lagg 7y ago

gnarbarian 7y ago

In a world where the media will gladly take the bait to claim the "OK sign" is a white supremacy symbol there's literally nothing you can do to avoid the absurd redefinition of symbols and words years down the road. just laugh at the hysteria and attempt to deprogram the people co-opted by this moral panic in your every day life.

lagg 7y ago
Regardless of whether or not the poster above was bringing up that tired comparison in good faith. The point must still be made. The ADL specifically says to evaluate all things in context. Note the similarities in the caution they advise while evaluating here. The people - the cowards, the milk drinkers, the tools of the christian church and establishment - in this thread making the unwise choice of submitting their spirituality to peckerheads wholesale. Would do well to take note of that advisory: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-h... https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/runic-writing-racist https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/runic-... I'm getting sick and tired of feeling bad for loving Tolkien because these so-called heathens and vikings are such fucking cowards. I'm in this thread giving your spirituality more defense than you are and I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT IT.
- gnarbarian 7y ago
  Don't let your adversaries dictate the rules for what is acceptable unopposed.

forgottenpass 7y ago

>its adherents allowed it to be labeled in this way and therefore make me feel like I did something wrong for getting something from a fictional book. This is spiritual cowardice on a level so profound it affected fiction. Pathetic. Ugly and pathetic. Someone else should have done the hard work of defending the reputation, so you could enjoy their success? Are you sure you want to be calling them cowards from that position?

lagg 7y ago
(Foreward: I get the point you're trying to make, so please don't interpret as argumentative at you, forgottenpass) I enjoy Tolkien's success. This is the point I'm trying to make. I'm a bystander here and would not even be aware of pagans beyond a superficial level had it not been specifically for the fact that their adherents have failed so badly at keeping their own tribe in check. I found out about all of this long after I got the tattoos. But I still have to feel like a party to it for no reason but superficial resemblance of runic alphabets. And yet I'm the only one that seemed to have been interested to expand upon my position so far. There's at least 3 heathens here by my count. I guess I'm fine with the notion that I'm a bigger badass than a self-proclaimed viking in this sense. Why shouldn't I call them cowards if I'm more willing to step up for a fictional mythos than one they consider a real part of their daily lives? P.S. I am doing part of the hard work in defending their reputation for them by making a point about context. I will not feel like a bad person for wearing Cirth runes. And they will be with me forever, and I will happily discuss the difference with anyone who asks me. And when I do explain the difference it will start with "It's not actually norse or pagan, I know what you mean but those are dying niche religions used by rednecks and slavic meth heads, it sucks but you can't judge a writing system by it".
- forgottenpass 7y ago
  >I'm a bystander here Are you? You might not be interested in the culture war, but the culture war is interested in you. >adherents have failed so badly at keeping their own tribe in check Keeping their "tribe in check" is a misnomer. They were annexed as the latest proxy battle in the larger cultural war. Why should the people deeper in the subculture have to take more ownership of that outcome than you do? It's not about the thing anymore, it's about branding the thing Team Edward or Team Jacob, and anyone who wants to go back to Team Not Getting Involved is run out on suspicion of vampirism/werewolfism.