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No, Night Owls Aren’t Doomed to Die Early
- Browun 7y agoCan we stop posting articles that are behind paywalls? I'm sure it's an interesting article, but I also believe there will be _free_ resources of this available elsewhere that won't stonewall users of HN like me.
- maxerickson 7y ago"Create a free account" Note one of the words there. I think I logged in like 5 years ago.
- IceDane 7y agoI'm not interested in handing out my email address to read an article, and I would expect most HN users feel the same way.
- hombre_fatal 7y agoWell, then use bugmenot or do the 10 seconds of work to create a temporary email. We don't need more advertising-backed or bankroll-backed journalism just to save you 10 seconds of convenience which I see HNers also complain about all the time.
- albertgoeswoof 7y agotry https://idbloc.co https://idbloc.co It’s a good habit never to give it out
- Kuinox 7y agoYou don't have to. You can use: 1. A personal junk email 2. A junk email service
- rjf72 7y agoBrave browser is far ahead of the game on this front. They enable you to disable scripts on a per-domain basis with a single click. Go to the site, lion icon -> click on block scripts, paywalls are gone with none of this bother with incognito modes, email generators, or other awkward work arounds. Works for NYT, WaPo, and most any site that relies on bait and switch paywalls.
- neffy 7y agoor "New Private Window" (Ctrl-alt-N)
- maxerickson 7y agoThat stopped working for me. It seems I'm not logged in though, I just have most cookies set to delete when I close the browser.
- codr7 7y agoNot a very long term solution if you ask me, that will stop working as soon as possible. And I'm pretty sure whatever is in there isn't worth the hoop jumping so it doesn't look like a great short term strategy either. Ignoring sites that push this crap is effortless and very effective.
- saagarjha 7y agoPlease don't discuss paywalls: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
- Madmallard 7y agoOkay, then I encourage everyone to flag every single paywall article posted. They are off-topic, because you cannot read them. The FAQ rule is ridiculous.
- saagarjha 7y agoTake it up with dang and sctb ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- detaro 7y agoDo remember that doing so will primarily lead to you loosing the ability to flag things for misusing the feature.
- Madmallard 7y agoHow is it misuse if the article is unreadable due to a paywall?
- detaro 7y agoHow is flagging a submission for something site rules and moderators explicitly say is acceptable on HN not misusing the flag feature, which is for things that are not acceptable?
- Madmallard 7y agoA pay-walled submission being acceptable on a news site when people likely do not spend a lengthy amount of time and likely do not want a hassle trying to consume information seems like a bad business decision.
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- rzzzt 7y agoThis is about a study published last year in April in Chronobiology International: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07420528.2018.1454458 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07420528.2018.1... News sites have picked it up and produced headlines on the same study with the complete opposite sentiment: https://news.sky.com/story/nocturnal-night-owls-risk-early-death-study-finds-11327054 https://news.sky.com/story/nocturnal-night-owls-risk-early-d... My understanding is from the article that night owls are not doomed to die early in the literal sense, but not being able to work, eat and exercise in the "proper time" still makes them susceptible to diabetes, neurological, respiratory and cardiovascular problems, etc. So yeah, still doomed.
- thrav 7y agoThe book, “Why We Sleep” covers this and many other sleep topics at length and in far more depth. It’s fascinating.
- dorchadas 7y agoIt truly is fascinating. I'd recommend anyone to read this, as he also talks about the evolutionary benefits of morning larks versus night owls. It was, perhaps, the most influential book I read last year.
- balfirevic 7y agoHow did it influence you? What are the changes it prompted you to make?
- dorchadas 7y agoI've started turning 'Do Not Disturb' mode on my phone much earlier, and plugging it into charge (facedown) at the same time. Even with a blue light filter, there was still a lot of exposure that would keep me awake. I try (and often fail, admittedly) to shut off my computer earlier too, but I use f.lux which helps mitigate it some. I also have changed out my light bulbs and use a lamp at night that doesn't emit as much blue light; I'm even considering getting some of the color changing ones and programming them to change for me throughout the day (as well as come on and turn off at a set time, which could be great). On top of all that, I try to follow a consistent schedule. It's difficult, but if I've been on it a few days, I notice it when I'm off and am quite miserable. I still could do more, especially wearing a sleep mask. I've noticed that when I sleep in windowless rooms, I sleep a lot better; the same is true with cool rooms (unfortunately, one of my roommates is always cold and refuses to believe we sleep better cool so our house rarely gets below 72 during the summer, and only that cool at night because I turn it down after he goes to sleep). But, really, mitigating blue light and understanding the importance of sleep are the two main things it's taught me.
- purerandomness 7y agoAlternative hypothsis: People who stay up late have a higher probability of going out, enjoy more occasional drinks, are more probable to smoking or take recreational drugs and have more sexual partners and generally enjoy more riskier lifestyle choices, all of which contributes to the statistics showing a shorter life expectation.
- barrkel 7y agoAnd of course all of this sounds substantially more fun.
- S_A_P 7y agoWhich may also lead to a greater since of community and reduced loneliness which contributes to longer life.
- cowsandmilk 7y agoBecause no one ever found a sense of community from their morning bike ride or running group or being monogamous and having a family... The idea that sexual promiscuity and doing drugs and drinking to lower social inhibition are what creates a sense of community is pretty misguided.
- S_A_P 7y agoNot what Im advocating. just providing a counterpoint to the argument that the only outcome to staying up late is that you are making choices that shorten life. Staying out late certainly can contribute to the OPs theory, but that isn't the only outcome. Reduction of stress, finding a community/partner/etc is definitely something that hanging out late can provide. the time of day you feel most awake doesn't mean your default is self destruction.
- accnumnplus1 7y agoSo the choice is enjoy life or drag it out when you're falling apart.
- _they 7y ago"...warned against drawing conclusions based on simple correlation." Can we just do this, in general?
- herf 7y agoThose who are forced to wake up too early, die early. Those who sleep enough have no extra risk.
- jedberg 7y ago> It wasn’t the conclusion of the study, or its researchers. But in the bombastic world of science reporting, it didn’t really matter. This right here is the crux of the whole thing. Science reporting biases towards clicks and shares instead of accuracy. There is still some good science reporting out there, but it doesn't sell like the sensational headlines.
- Simulacra 7y agoI don't think it's when you sleep, but how much sleep you get on a consistent basis.
- thatoneuser 7y agoI really dislike this kind of clickbait. I've never heard anything of owls dying and now I have this condescending headline talking down to me.
- ulisesrmzroche 7y agoYou know, back in Mexico, we had school in two shifts, rite? It was a morning shift & afternoon shift. It was a way to fix the problem of "too many students and not enough time". I always took the afternoons. It was great. Life made sense. I wonder if we can ever pressure the bosses to make overlapping shifts? Or is that even possible? A 6-hour workday sounds like an opium dream to me at this point in our timeline.
- k__ 7y agoSince I'm a freelancer I sleep from 2/3 - 11/12 without a alarm. Feel much better now.
- dmix 7y agoWe don't have set hours at our office and about half the people come in early around 8-10am and the other half come in around 1pm. There's enough overlap for afternoon meetings and plenty of time when the office is quieter because half as many people are there.
- dontbenebby 7y agoI suspect the issue isn't the time you wake up, it's if you're artificially waking up. (Ex: if you stay up late on weekends then struggle on Monday due to lack of sleep vs simply choosing to wake at 10am daily because you have a flexible work schedule and sometimes like to go to events that are in the evening.)
- anthuman 7y agoWhy are there so many of these non-news articles from the nytimes lately? "You don’t want a child prodigy" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20003367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20003367 The latest. "The Surprising Benefits of Relentlessly Auditing Your Life" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20009838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20009838 More importantly, who keeps boosting it to the frontpage. This isn't news. It's mostly pseudoscientific "self-help" style nonsense. What's the difference between these nytimes articles and the neverending "Coffee is good for you" followed by "Coffee is bad for you" garbage. Or the relentless "Wine is good for you" followed by "Wine is bad for you" garbage. It's nonsense that doesn't inform or get you anywhere. It worthless and useless fluff purely to make them money.
- sctb 7y ago> Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Zenbit_UX 7y agoSince you quoted a rule out of context I'd like to provide the full version for ironic effect: > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. That last sentence would seem to imply you've broken the rules yourself simply by commenting about another user doing so... Which ironically I'm also now guilty of. So we're left with two options, mods delete both our comments for violations... Or maybe we relax and hear out the GP comment... They actually brought up a very good point that I'm sure many of us on HN have noticed in regards to recent NYT articles being quite clickbaity and generally being of a lower journalistic standards.
- detaro 7y agosctb is a mod. It kind of makes sense that mods are allowed to comment on people breaking rules.
- m3kw9 7y agoYeah like sugar vs fat studies, this is profound, not.