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Southwest only has 34 737MAX planes in their fleet of 750 737s. "crappy old airframe" It's actually an incredible good design with a proven history. What exa

by oreo83 7y ago

Southwest only has 34 737MAX planes in their fleet of 750 737s. "crappy old airframe" It's actually an incredible good design with a proven history. What exactly makes you think its such a "crappy" design?

kalleboo 7y ago
It's a crappy old airframe because it's designed specifically to be low down to accommodate airstairs, meaning it won't fit modern large engines. It's anachronistic design and has to make tradeoffs in order to stay relevant (even before the MAX, the NG had those weird squished engine nacelles).
- oreo83 7y ago
  Doesn't mean it a bad airframe...
  - magduf 7y ago
    If you have to do crazy workarounds to make a design stay relevant and usable in modern times, then it is by definition a bad design.
    - oreo83 7y ago
      The crazy workarounds are maybe bad designs, but an airframe design that's still in demand after 50 years and been built 10,000+ times isn't a crappy design. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone familiar with aviation agree that the 737 is a poorly designed airframe...
      - magduf 7y ago
        It's only in demand because of inertia. This is like claiming that Windows is great for no other reason than because so many people use it, or that the US government is a great idea just because it hasn't collapsed yet. If you think it's so great, then why don't you explain why you can't put today's large high-bypass turbofan engines on it in the normal position without them hitting the runway? How exactly is that a "great design"? It may have been a great design in 1967, but it isn't now, just like a 1967 Mustang chassis may have been OK then, but is totally inadequate now.
        oreo83 7y ago
        I think you misunderstanding what an 'airframe' is...
        magduf 7y ago
        No, I think you are. The 737's airframe includes landing gear designed for using ladders instead of jetways, and wings that are thus too low to the ground, which is why they placed the new nacelles the way they did, causing this problem in the first place.

by oreo83 7y ago

kalleboo 7y ago

It's a crappy old airframe because it's designed specifically to be low down to accommodate airstairs, meaning it won't fit modern large engines. It's anachronistic design and has to make tradeoffs in order to stay relevant (even before the MAX, the NG had those weird squished engine nacelles).

oreo83 7y ago
Doesn't mean it a bad airframe...
- magduf 7y ago
  If you have to do crazy workarounds to make a design stay relevant and usable in modern times, then it is by definition a bad design.
  - oreo83 7y ago
    The crazy workarounds are maybe bad designs, but an airframe design that's still in demand after 50 years and been built 10,000+ times isn't a crappy design. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone familiar with aviation agree that the 737 is a poorly designed airframe...
    - magduf 7y ago
      It's only in demand because of inertia. This is like claiming that Windows is great for no other reason than because so many people use it, or that the US government is a great idea just because it hasn't collapsed yet. If you think it's so great, then why don't you explain why you can't put today's large high-bypass turbofan engines on it in the normal position without them hitting the runway? How exactly is that a "great design"? It may have been a great design in 1967, but it isn't now, just like a 1967 Mustang chassis may have been OK then, but is totally inadequate now.
      - oreo83 7y ago
        I think you misunderstanding what an 'airframe' is...
        magduf 7y ago
        No, I think you are. The 737's airframe includes landing gear designed for using ladders instead of jetways, and wings that are thus too low to the ground, which is why they placed the new nacelles the way they did, causing this problem in the first place.