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Microsoft Edge preview builds for macOS
- gshdg 7y agoI’m really interested to find out how they’re approaching privacy. If they take a strong stance, this might be a good alternative to chrome for those sites that support nothing else.
- sureaboutthis 7y agoWindows itself is not a bastion of privacy.
- nailer 7y agoI see your point, but I'll add that telemetry is focused on making sure stuff works, whereas selling ads based on your data is focused on making money from you. Telemetry can be disabled on Enterprise: https://www.kapilarya.com/allow-or-prevent-telemetry-in-windows-10 https://www.kapilarya.com/allow-or-prevent-telemetry-in-wind... but I agree it would be good for Microsoft to allow this to be disabled in Pro.
- raxxorrax 7y agoMotivation is irrelevant if I don't want to share any data as a user. edit: Besides that, the telemetry service has caused multiple problems on different systems already. I just don't see any results from it compared to previous versions of windows.
- darkpuma 7y agoLast I checked windows now has ads in it. Those ads may currently be totally untargeted, but that's a small comfort and I wouldn't count on it staying that way forever.
- kgraves 7y ago> a good alternative to chrome for those sites that support nothing else. Edge is literally Chrome with Microsoft slapped on top of it.
- nailer 7y agoNo. They're working on a big privacy dashboard which blocks tracking cookies as well as other stuff: https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/whats-next https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/whats-next Video: https://edgetipscdn.microsoft.com/insider-site/images/whatsnext-privacy.ec8276df.mp4 https://edgetipscdn.microsoft.com/insider-site/images/whatsn...
- kgraves 7y agoStill not buying it. I don't trust Microsoft at all with privacy especially with what they did to Windows 10. Telemetry & spying is everywhere with everything that they build now even in their calculator[0][1]. I would stick to Ungoogled/Chromium, Safari or Firefox thanks. [0] https://git.io/fj4Wl https://git.io/fj4Wl [1] https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator/issues/148 https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator/issues/148
- butteroverflow 7y agoDon't worry, it's all for your benefit. How else would they know what divisors to optimize first for?
- toastal 7y agoWhy not just use Brave then?
- princekolt 7y agolol
- pedrocx486 7y agoI personally ditched them due to them pushing BAT to heavily on those that don't want to participate and Sync being broken randomly.
- nsomaru 7y agoBroken on Debian stable due to a sandbox issue not solved for many months. Not willing to compromise security to run Brave which it seemed the workaround at the time did.
- uptown 7y agoFrom a practical standpoint exactly what does Google collect from one’s browsing activity when they use Chrome? Not sure I’ve ever seen the technical analysis of what kinds of exposure users have.
- minikites 7y agoI'm sure it's not limited to this but there are a lot of dark UI patterns in Chrome, e.g. any Google web login also logs you in to Chrome so Google "has permission" to record your browsing history and other browsing data.
- microcolonel 7y agoI mean, I think Google gathers browsing history through other means (being embedded on a huge proportion of all webpages), but in the case of Chrome/Chromium, there is a separate password for the sync artifacts, I think at least in principle they are stored separately (especially since they now include passwords, social security numbers, etc.). My sync password is different from my account password, I think it generally unlocks both at once if your sync password is the same as your account password, and you log in to your Google account. I think this is also possible with the way that Microsoft has made "Edge" work with Microsoft accounts rather than Google accounts.
- Someone1234 7y agoAfter the blowback from auto sign-in they added an option to disable that on both Chrome and ChromeOS. Settings -> Advanced -> Allow Chrome Sign-in If you want even more control use ADMX (enterprise policies) to permanently disable it. For example on Windows visit Software\Policies\Google\Chrome\ in either HKLM or HKCU and set SyncDisabled 1, EnableSyncConsent 0, BrowserSignin 0. Full list/docs: https://www.chromium.org/administrators/policy-list-3 https://www.chromium.org/administrators/policy-list-3
- benatkin 7y agoI deal with it by having a separate google profile (“user”) and barely using it outside of gmail and google docs. I just let it sync.
- princekolt 7y agoWhy not Safari? It's fast, power-efficient, and native.
- gshdg 7y agoAnd a lot of stupidly optimized-for-chrome sites break in it. Plus extensibility is limited.
- princekolt 7y agoMaybe if everything you use is a web-app that makes sense, but I avoid that like the plague. Maybe in the wonderful world of Silicon Valley you can rely on that, but in the real world internet connectivity can be choppy, especially when inside trains and planes.
- gshdg 7y agoMost startup workplaces these days use a lot of SaaS apps. Not like you have a choice to avoid web apps.
- kenbellows 7y agoNowadays many applications, and especially most big-name business application suites (G Suite, Microsoft Office online, etc), are converting all their web applications to Progressive Web Apps, adding Service Workers and such so that they work just fine when you're offline and sync to backup document changes and such whenever you reconnect later. Give it a couple years and it won't be a problem anymore.
- pwinnski 7y agoAre these publicly-available sites, or private web apps? I can't remember seeing sites that break Safari, but I'm sure I'm just lucky.
- tapoxi 7y agoIn my case our SSO requires a FIDO U2F hardware token and Safari doesn't support FIDO U2F at all. Someone wrote a third party extension but I can't get that working.
- saagarjha 7y agoDiscussed a bit yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19963291 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19963291
- adgasf 7y agoQuestion about MS strategy: why would someone use this over Chromium or Firefox?
- SentientNo4 7y agoI assume they bet on people who want to use the Chromium engine without all the Google stuff and corporate people who use macs but work with MS infrastructure (like Exchange and Sharepoint).
- ernesth 7y ago> people who want to use the Chromium engine without all the Google stuff Why would those people not use the chromium browser?
- DHPersonal 7y agoIf Microsoft integrates all the functionality of the original Edge into Chromium Edge, then it will be a great browser to use on their Surface line of tablet computers. Without those features, it’s a non-Google Chrome with a large company backing its feature updates and contributing to the codebase’s continued improvement, along with syncing features and potential better integration with Windows. Firefox has a lot of good features still, but its small usage amount has made some development budgets ignore it or drop support of it on some sites I have visited.
- butteroverflow 7y agoYeah. Our postal service's website has a small badge on every page. It translates to something like 'developed for and in Chrome'. They must be bragging about it, or something. It reminds me of all those 'best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600' from the beginning of the century.
- nailer 7y agoIt's much faster. Microsoft ripped out about 30 different Google-specific components, I think @ericlaw tweeted the list a little while ago. Additionally Microsoft pay attention to developers. Chrome Devtools has has a Headers tab, with response headers and then request headers. There's a seperate tab called 'Response' which only contains the response body. I fed this back to Google (suggesting a request and response tab with headers and body) and (per Google) the response was from an engineer saying they personally liked it so therefore there was no reason to change it. Microsoft's feedback was they're actually looking at more logical layouts.
- tcper 7y agoFinally, IE come back to Mac, since IE5 in Mac OS 9.
- fnordsensei 7y agoHow come that every single Microsoft application for MacOS requires an installation? It makes me suspicious that they're gunking things up unnecessarily.
- userbinator 7y agoIt's just their Chromium shell, and not using their own rendering engine. (In case anyone was wondering if this was about EdgeHTML being ported.)
- pavlov 7y agoEdgeHTML is being killed on Windows as well. Chromium with Microsoft chrome is their new default browser.
- onion2k 7y agoEdgeHTML isn't getting ported. It's dead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdgeHTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdgeHTML
- simonh 7y agoThis was just a matter of time coming. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Linux port soon, if fact I'd be surprised not to. The motivation seems to be to establish a solid consistent foundation layer for Microsoft to deliver cross platform Electron apps, like Teams and VS Code. EdgeHTML is no good for that, so it got ditched for Chromium.
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- notjustanymike 7y agoAs someone who develops a web app with medical content, this can't come out soon enough. We'll finally be able to get our windows 7 loving clients off of IE11.
- jamesgeck0 7y agoYou can drop support for Windows 7 in January, same as Microsoft. Unfortunately, IE11 is a component of Windows 8.1, which will be supported until 2023.
- justacomment__ 7y agoA delightful browser on a delightful UI. Truly we are blessed.
- 5trokerac3 7y agoWhy do I get the feeling this will be used by developers to say they tested Edge when they really didn't?
- bovermyer 7y agoA mix of cynicism and experience, I would say.
- usermac 7y agoI installed it an noticed they have their own App Store.
- rsweeney21 7y agoLet's say Microsoft finds a way to gain a large market share with Edge. Couldn't they cause significant damage to Google if they enabled ad blocking by default? 90% of Google revenue is still ad revenue. Say they got 50% market share. If all of the sudden 50% of internet users started blocking ads, wouldn't that be a pretty bad thing for Google? Like put them out of business overnight kind of bad? While not hurting Microsoft at all? I wonder if Google saw this vulnerability years ago and so they decided to build Chrome to protect themselves.