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I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected

by andr 7y ago

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

Joakal 7y ago
None, Australian government has banned Huawei for government work. Me and others have demanded the government to ban them from consumers but no. Huawei is allowed to sell to unsuspecting businesses/consumers in Australia. Huawei could sue the Australian government over the ban: https://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/huawei-won-t-rule-out-suing-australia-20190404-p51apq https://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/huawei-won-t...
bartimus 7y ago
When it comes to security everyone's guilty until proven innocent.
- johannes1234321 7y ago
  And it is impossible to prove innocent.
- tehlike 7y ago
  China has apps with plenty of install base. That is probably the bigger threat noone has really noticed yet...
rocqua 7y ago
There were reports out of the UK about bad software hygiene, with some implications of bug-doors.
- mutt2016 7y ago
  We are talking about Huawei and not Cisco right? They seem to have a constant stream of the problems and nobody seems to give a shit.
room271 7y ago
I'm not sure this is really about Huawei at all, so in a sense it doesn't really matter if they have (up to now) done anything wrong. It's really about the extent we feel comfortable trusting the Chinese government. Now obviously, every country has its own agenda, but there are (arguably) stronger reasons to be concerned about China than most others. They are undemocratic and suppress significant parts of their population (the Uighurs, Tibetans, Christians, ..), don't believe in free speech or freedom of religion, but also have a large economy and military presence. Now of course, other countries are not saints, but the differences with China (and in particular its disregard for human rights) make future disagreement much more likely.
jandrewrogers 7y ago
Nothing new this time around that I know of, though Huawei has admitted to specific allegations many times in the past (e.g. wholesale stealing of Cisco's software in 2003, got caught physically stealing Motorola wireless tech several years ago, etc). Huawei were banned from sensitive infrastructure in Five Eyes for security reasons circa 2013/2014, along with Lenovo (against which there were specific allegations IIRC). This is just an expansion of official government policy put in place during the Obama administration to the rest of the private sector. tl;dr: this isn't new territory for Huawei.
roca 7y ago
Huawei is effectively one arm of the Chinese government, and the Chinese state hackers are another arm of that same government.
- dx034 7y ago
  Is Cisco that much less aligned with US government interest? I have the feeling it's just down to which government you want to trust.
  - stjohnswarts 7y ago
    Not true.
edwinyzh 7y ago
FYI: Trump says U.S. "wants to be the leader' in 5G development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Gakw0dPvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Gakw0dPvE

by andr 7y ago

Joakal 7y ago

None, Australian government has banned Huawei for government work. Me and others have demanded the government to ban them from consumers but no. Huawei is allowed to sell to unsuspecting businesses/consumers in Australia. Huawei could sue the Australian government over the ban: https://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/huawei-won-t-rule-out-suing-australia-20190404-p51apq https://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/huawei-won-t...

bartimus 7y ago

When it comes to security everyone's guilty until proven innocent.

johannes1234321 7y ago
And it is impossible to prove innocent.
tehlike 7y ago
China has apps with plenty of install base. That is probably the bigger threat noone has really noticed yet...

rocqua 7y ago

There were reports out of the UK about bad software hygiene, with some implications of bug-doors.

mutt2016 7y ago
We are talking about Huawei and not Cisco right? They seem to have a constant stream of the problems and nobody seems to give a shit.

room271 7y ago

I'm not sure this is really about Huawei at all, so in a sense it doesn't really matter if they have (up to now) done anything wrong. It's really about the extent we feel comfortable trusting the Chinese government. Now obviously, every country has its own agenda, but there are (arguably) stronger reasons to be concerned about China than most others. They are undemocratic and suppress significant parts of their population (the Uighurs, Tibetans, Christians, ..), don't believe in free speech or freedom of religion, but also have a large economy and military presence. Now of course, other countries are not saints, but the differences with China (and in particular its disregard for human rights) make future disagreement much more likely.

jandrewrogers 7y ago

Nothing new this time around that I know of, though Huawei has admitted to specific allegations many times in the past (e.g. wholesale stealing of Cisco's software in 2003, got caught physically stealing Motorola wireless tech several years ago, etc). Huawei were banned from sensitive infrastructure in Five Eyes for security reasons circa 2013/2014, along with Lenovo (against which there were specific allegations IIRC). This is just an expansion of official government policy put in place during the Obama administration to the rest of the private sector. tl;dr: this isn't new territory for Huawei.

roca 7y ago

Huawei is effectively one arm of the Chinese government, and the Chinese state hackers are another arm of that same government.

dx034 7y ago
Is Cisco that much less aligned with US government interest? I have the feeling it's just down to which government you want to trust.
- stjohnswarts 7y ago
  Not true.

edwinyzh 7y ago

FYI: Trump says U.S. "wants to be the leader' in 5G development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Gakw0dPvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Gakw0dPvE