7 ms·
There's a ton of overt misogyny and sexism in the U.S., nothing "subconscious" about it.
by door5 7y ago
There's a ton of overt misogyny and sexism in the U.S., nothing "subconscious" about it.
- lenticular 7y agoFor sure, but at least overt discrimination is much more easily remedied by social ostracism or legal means.
- jdavis703 7y agoThis is an uncharitable interpretation of the comment about sexism & racism. I’m African American, yet the last time I took an implicit association test it showed I’m biased against African Americans. Yeah there’s a lot of conscious bias in the U.S., but we live in a culture with deep seated misogyny and racism that can effect even well meaning people.
- lenticular 7y agoThis is a really good point. Women also show tend to show bias towards men, and gay men often show bias towards straight men. It's kind of an instinctual thing to suck up to the powerful.
- door5 7y agoI agree, however I think it's important that we do not use "implicit bias" as a cover. Implicit bias seems very vague and allows people to evade responsibility. I think there's a lot of very explicit bias (in the form of sexist attitudes, discrimination, biased hiring practices, etc) that need to be tackled. The "implicit bias" narrative (that a lot of tech CEOs are a fan of) makes me uncomfortable because it depoliticizes the issue, chalking it up so something more innately human (our biases and mistakes) rather than sexist attitudes and policies.
- markrages 7y agoImplicit bias tests are not valid at the individual level. https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/7/14637626/implicit-association-test-racism https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/7/14637626/implicit-as...
- epicureanideal 7y agoFrom what I've observed, there's far more overt misandry than misogyny.
- door5 7y agoThe U.S. president has been accused by multiple women of sexual assault. He has called women bitches, whores, fat pigs, ugly, etc. Multiple states in the south passed legislation effectively banning abortion, stripping women of their sexual and bodily autonomy. Where is there open, institutional misandry of this level? Critiquing male power and men's sexist behavior towards women is not "misandry"
- dang 7y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19906722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19906722
- dang 7y agoPlease let's not do the generic gender flamewar thing.