> Maybe part of solving that problem is making everyone part of a group where they are accountable and then making that group accountable to a larger group and

> Maybe part of solving that problem is making everyone part of a group where they are accountable and then making that group accountable to a larger group and so on until the largest group is accountable to society as a whole. > [...] > Where else do we have a group where everyone can be held accountable? Churches. They have their problems, but when you hear conservatives lament the breakdown in organized religion, what they're upset about is the breakdown in that system of tiered social pressures and expectations. I don't know how to reinvent that in a more egalitarian way -- or any way that avoids the problems organized religion (and plenty of other large organizations) have had.