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It's remarkable how some people in life, were destined to be forever deaf and without any control about it. Yet people preach at any age how we have control ins
by bellerose 7y ago
It's remarkable how some people in life, were destined to be forever deaf and without any control about it. Yet people preach at any age how we have control instead of teaching how reality really is and where people wouldn't be labouring under delusion. /hard determinist
- rubbingalcohol 7y ago> how reality really is Well the deaf girl can hear now, so it is clear that sometimes people do have control over natural conditions.
- bellerose 7y agoNo, she was just was born into a time where enough suffering, has resulted in science progressing to the point and where her hearing can be fixed. The act doesn't change control over natural or personal. She was fated to get the surgery and whatever comes in life. She is no different than her reflection and similar to everything in reality. It's a shame people are so against understanding how things really are at the fundamental level.
- gameswithgo 7y agoim carefully trying to understand what you are saying but it just sounds like crazy nonsense. you might reflect on whether it actually is crazy nonsense, and if not, find a more clear way to express yourself.
- bellerose 7y agoYou sound like a person who isn't educated in determinism and so you think it's crazy nonsense. All external forces upon a person are destined to happen and where nobody has any real control over what they do or think. How's that or maybe just google hard determinism. I witness the same kind of backlash as the flat world thinkers did towards Pythagoras.
- brokensegue 7y agoor do you witness the same kind of backlash that anti-vaxxers face?
- bellerose 7y agoScience is on the side of exhibiting determinism and science has never once provided any evidence that people have any control in this world. Free will is an illusion with how the brain functions. Most people will never spend much time thinking about it. The social conditioning in childhood ruins the possibility to think about it and prevents being even more closer to understanding reality.
- brokensegue 7y agoI guess my point really is. Even if you're right it's entirely irrelevant which makes you sound crazy.
- bellerose 7y agoAll my points are right. I don't take life so seriously to care if I'm irrelevant on a website from time to time.
- tracer4201 7y agoComparing yourself to Pythagoras after blabbering nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic. You must have HN confused with Reddit or 4chan.
- bellerose 7y agoYou don't know the definition of nonsense. I'm guessing you're from those websites you list.
- em-bee 7y agoso what's your point? either we have control over our fate and can change it, or if me manage to fix the problems we run into we were determined to do so. the end result is the same. we can't tell the difference because we don't know what our fate is. as a result it is pointless to even try to tell a difference. because any attempt to say that we are not determined to solve a problem is defeatist. how can we know which problems we are determined to solve and which not? the only way we can find out is by trying. if we fail, then maybe we are not determined to solve that problem. but we'll never know, therefore we must not give up trying. and in this case we solved the problem, so we obviously were determined to do so, hence no delusion here. you are deluding yourself if you believe that you can tell your determination. being able to do so would imply that you can see into the future. because i can't tell the future, i can't tell what i am determined to, hence the whole point becomes moot.