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But do the ÖVP actually do that? I'm Spanish and I voted for a "conservative" government this last election, where they promised to do, well, stuff I expected f

by gxwmg 7y ago

But do the ÖVP actually do that? I'm Spanish and I voted for a "conservative" government this last election, where they promised to do, well, stuff I expected from a conservative party, and they didn't do shit. That's why I call them "centrist". They say they are conservatives, but they don't conserve anything.

the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
I only enumerated things they put into law out they proposed or supported from the start. The things the FPOe did was getting rid of the smoking ban, raising the speed limits to 140, renaming the immigration centers to “departure centers”, proposals to cut the funding of the public broadcaster. Together they converted the country in record time into a dystopian place. Even putting childhood education back into former times by reintroducing marks for primary schoolers and minimum requirements that can cause children under 10 to have to repeat a class. They are now both also starting to talk about rolling back abortion rights.
- gxwmg 7y ago
  Yeah, when I voted for the conservatives here I thought they would roll back abortion rights but they didn't, I thought they would fix the immigration madness but they didn't, and that's why I and many other people are voting far right next election: the conservative party has simply failed to be conservative, they just became centrists to attract more votes, and I sure hope it will backfire. And that's why these laws are popping up all over Europe: they want to maintain control, they are scared of new parties.
- readittwice 7y ago
  Well, the conservatives and the right are not going to implement left politics. Austria was certainly NOT converted into a "dystopian place". Like it or not: Some time ago, a left-leaning newspaper (Standard) wrote that the current government has the best polls recorded so far.
  - the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
    > Well, the conservatives and the right are not going to implement left politics. Austria was certainly NOT converted into a "dystopian place". A country with that much power given to the government with so little oversight, no transparency is a problem. Austria is a country of immigration and the rules in place for immigrants are awful (from both access to citizenship and rights). What is currently being done has the chance to erode the social fabric more than any other government did before. > Like it or not: Some time ago, a left-leaning newspaper (Standard) wrote that the current government has the best polls recorded so far. Obviously I don't like it, and it worries me a lot. I'm not sure any if this is the country I want my children to grow up in.
Intermernet 7y ago
What specifically would you like them to conserve? I find conservatism confusing because the specific base state that apparently needs to be conserved differs from person to person. Do you want to go back to feudalism? Do you want to go back to the bronze age? Or do you just want to go back to when the literacy rate was below 50%? Conservatism needs to be specific in its goals otherwise it only represents a desire for a purely unchanging society.

by gxwmg 7y ago

the_mitsuhiko 7y ago

I only enumerated things they put into law out they proposed or supported from the start. The things the FPOe did was getting rid of the smoking ban, raising the speed limits to 140, renaming the immigration centers to “departure centers”, proposals to cut the funding of the public broadcaster. Together they converted the country in record time into a dystopian place. Even putting childhood education back into former times by reintroducing marks for primary schoolers and minimum requirements that can cause children under 10 to have to repeat a class. They are now both also starting to talk about rolling back abortion rights.

gxwmg 7y ago
Yeah, when I voted for the conservatives here I thought they would roll back abortion rights but they didn't, I thought they would fix the immigration madness but they didn't, and that's why I and many other people are voting far right next election: the conservative party has simply failed to be conservative, they just became centrists to attract more votes, and I sure hope it will backfire. And that's why these laws are popping up all over Europe: they want to maintain control, they are scared of new parties.
readittwice 7y ago
Well, the conservatives and the right are not going to implement left politics. Austria was certainly NOT converted into a "dystopian place". Like it or not: Some time ago, a left-leaning newspaper (Standard) wrote that the current government has the best polls recorded so far.
- the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
  > Well, the conservatives and the right are not going to implement left politics. Austria was certainly NOT converted into a "dystopian place". A country with that much power given to the government with so little oversight, no transparency is a problem. Austria is a country of immigration and the rules in place for immigrants are awful (from both access to citizenship and rights). What is currently being done has the chance to erode the social fabric more than any other government did before. > Like it or not: Some time ago, a left-leaning newspaper (Standard) wrote that the current government has the best polls recorded so far. Obviously I don't like it, and it worries me a lot. I'm not sure any if this is the country I want my children to grow up in.

Intermernet 7y ago

What specifically would you like them to conserve? I find conservatism confusing because the specific base state that apparently needs to be conserved differs from person to person. Do you want to go back to feudalism? Do you want to go back to the bronze age? Or do you just want to go back to when the literacy rate was below 50%? Conservatism needs to be specific in its goals otherwise it only represents a desire for a purely unchanging society.