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Everyone will just sneak their parents' cards. I know I would have.

• stickfigure 7y ago
  Or they can just ask? I would have no trouble helping my son work around dumb rules. "Here's another one of those situations where lying is appropriate. I hope you're learning to be a good judge of when it is and isn't. Yes, adults are pretty stupid sometimes."
  • edejong 7y ago
    As his guardian you limit your son's ability to legally retaliate in the future against possible coercive actions offered by said corporations, with its sole intention to form an addictive dependency to its users. It's like buying your son cigarettes. This shifts the responsibility from the supplier to the enabler (you). Will we in the near future reflect on this digital period, similar to how we now reflect on the era of dominance of cigarette manufacturers?
    • josephorjoe 7y ago
      No one said being a parent is easy, but taking responsibility for these types of decisions is part of the job.
      • edejong 7y ago
        I triggered on "work around dumb rules". Large institutions consulted by legal and behavioural experts, backed by decades of research come to the conclusion to severely restrict the effects of persuasive design on children. Taking the time to reflect on both sides of the argument without dismissing it as 'dumb rules', would be my interpretation of responsible guardianship. As we speak, persuasive design experts, applying behavioural psychology are having wreaking measureable, wide-scale deleterious effects on our youngest generation. Yes, I agree we should teach our children about these systems of control. At the same time, we should acknowledge that the effects are spanning wide ranges of our population, regardless of age, sex, income class and education level. Our society needs stronger controls to counter decades of psychological and sociological research, designed and funded for offensive purposes (psy-ops).
        • FakeComments 7y ago
          There’s never been anything like the mass psyops of the past 100 years, and it’s not clear that such toxic memetic behavior can coexist with society. We’ve only seen three generations of impact, but it seems the deleterious effects are outpacing our ability to adapt. It’s possible PR will trigger a memetic mass extinction event. I’d encourage people here who work in marketing, public relations, or social media to seriously consider the systemic effects of what they’re doing.
        • josephorjoe 7y ago
          I hear you. On the one side we have corporate interests looking to exploit everything they are not barred from exploiting and piously declaring that not exploiting things they are not barred from exploiting is failing in their mission. On the other side we have governments trying with varying degrees of success to add regulations on this stuff that most lawmakers do not understand. As a parent, you cannot just rely on the government. Some regulations are good. Some don't go far enough. Some are kind of dumb.
  • 0xJRS 7y ago
    This is how I was raised, and exactly what I would do if I were a parent.
  • tibyat 7y ago
    what is stupid about wanting to protect your kids from being preyed upon by corporations who are paying teams of psychologists and coders to keep your kid in their app for as long as possible? do you think children fully understand that is being done to them, and the ramifications of it? i think parents ought to be able to decide what’s best for their kids, but see no problem with making this policy enabled by default. of course a lot of people on HN have no kids, and have an income that depends on them believing like buttons and A/B testing children to maximize their app usage can’t possibly have a psychological effect on them.
• Mindwipe 7y ago
  At least one of the age verification services being tested just validates the card number is formatted correctly (Twitter users have found out of date cards work very well). No need to sneak the cards when you can just google one tbh.