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WL publishes documents with minimal context and no subtext, no added commentary or presentation whatsoever. Which shows how dependent on presentation has news r

WL publishes documents with minimal context and no subtext, no added commentary or presentation whatsoever. Which shows how dependent on presentation has news reporting become. What Assange accomplished should be viewed as a priceless resource for journalists, reams of data and pure info, in unedited original words, there to speak for itself. If "fake news" is the grand enemy today, then the feds are after the one and only purveyor of hard facts without color, what they purport to favor in reactionary ideology.

senectus1 7y ago
but they also release selectively. and with precision timing. I'm deeply conflicted about WL and Assange. I agree that a WL like org is needed for open democracy. but at the same time these fuckers were clearly working against democracy and in cahoots with the Russians.
belltaco 7y ago
...while DM'ing Trump Jr at the same time: >“Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us,” WikiLeaks went on, pointing Trump Jr. to the link wlsearch.tk, which it said would help Trump’s followers dig through the trove of stolen documents and find stories. “There’s many great stories the press are missing and we’re sure some of your follows [sic] will find it,” WikiLeaks went on. “Btw we just released Podesta Emails Part 4.” What a joke. And propagating nonsense on the website. https://our.wikileaks.org/Pizzagate https://our.wikileaks.org/Pizzagate Leading to https://rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/john-podesta-pizzagate-766489/ https://rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/john-pod...
laughinghan 7y ago
What you describe sounds great, but that's not what WikiLeaks was like. They exposed stuff like "information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces — more than 20 million entries’ worth of addresses and cell-phone numbers". Is that the kind of "reams of data and pure info", "hard facts without color" that should be viewed as a "priceless resource for journalists"? Of course not. That's negligent exposure of people's private information, towards absolutely no public interest whatsoever, and causing much public harm. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-help-dox-most-of-turkeys-adult-female-population.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-hel...
- ryanlol 7y ago
  >"information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces — more than 20 million entries’ worth of addresses and cell-phone numbers". This is a lie spread by serial fabricator Zeynep Tufekci, WL never released or hosted this dump. Wikileaks retweeted a link to this dump. natsecgeek/Emma Best posted this dump by an unknown hacker, WL and thousands of others retweeted it. At the time it wasn’t described as “turkish female voter db” or anything. The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump mentioned in the story. WL never even had the voter data https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=...
  - laughinghan 7y ago
    Thank you for your detailed response. Can you clarify a few points for me? • You quote some text from my comment and say "This is a lie", but the rest of your statement doesn't appear to contradict anything I wrote, including the part you quoted. Is my understanding correct, that neither the text you quoted nor the rest of my comment are a lie, and in fact are both factually correct? • How many things has "serial fabricator" Zeynep Tefukci fabricated? Can you provide any other examples of things she has fabricated? Are they all about Wikileaks, or does she fabricate things about lots of people and orgs? • To be clear, you're saying that Tefukci did not fabricate that Wikileaks tweeted links to the voter dump, nor did she fabricate the irresponsible and harmful information contained in this dump, right? Did she fabricate anything about this incident, or are you just saying we should expect her to mislead us? • You said "The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump". Zeynep Tefukci claims that Wikileaks tweeted "Here’s the full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more" with a link to the page to download the voter dump: https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063575-CoS7gTvXYAEZmTn.jpg https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063... Is that purported tweet a fabrication, and if so what evidence is there that it's a fabrication? (E.g. the original image that was manipulated to fabricate the screenshot of the tweet, or a link to the tweet whose screenshot was manipulated, or a report asserting that her screenshot was a fabrication from a news source more reputable than HuffPo--not an outrageously high bar, I think we can agree.) Or are you saying that though they tweeted that, nonetheless the voter dump mistake should be considered irrelevant to the AKP email dump story?

senectus1 7y ago

but they also release selectively. and with precision timing. I'm deeply conflicted about WL and Assange. I agree that a WL like org is needed for open democracy. but at the same time these fuckers were clearly working against democracy and in cahoots with the Russians.

belltaco 7y ago

...while DM'ing Trump Jr at the same time: >“Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us,” WikiLeaks went on, pointing Trump Jr. to the link wlsearch.tk, which it said would help Trump’s followers dig through the trove of stolen documents and find stories. “There’s many great stories the press are missing and we’re sure some of your follows [sic] will find it,” WikiLeaks went on. “Btw we just released Podesta Emails Part 4.” What a joke. And propagating nonsense on the website. https://our.wikileaks.org/Pizzagate https://our.wikileaks.org/Pizzagate Leading to https://rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/john-podesta-pizzagate-766489/ https://rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/john-pod...

laughinghan 7y ago

What you describe sounds great, but that's not what WikiLeaks was like. They exposed stuff like "information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces — more than 20 million entries’ worth of addresses and cell-phone numbers". Is that the kind of "reams of data and pure info", "hard facts without color" that should be viewed as a "priceless resource for journalists"? Of course not. That's negligent exposure of people's private information, towards absolutely no public interest whatsoever, and causing much public harm. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-help-dox-most-of-turkeys-adult-female-population.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-hel...

ryanlol 7y ago
>"information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces — more than 20 million entries’ worth of addresses and cell-phone numbers". This is a lie spread by serial fabricator Zeynep Tufekci, WL never released or hosted this dump. Wikileaks retweeted a link to this dump. natsecgeek/Emma Best posted this dump by an unknown hacker, WL and thousands of others retweeted it. At the time it wasn’t described as “turkish female voter db” or anything. The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump mentioned in the story. WL never even had the voter data https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=...
- laughinghan 7y ago
  Thank you for your detailed response. Can you clarify a few points for me? • You quote some text from my comment and say "This is a lie", but the rest of your statement doesn't appear to contradict anything I wrote, including the part you quoted. Is my understanding correct, that neither the text you quoted nor the rest of my comment are a lie, and in fact are both factually correct? • How many things has "serial fabricator" Zeynep Tefukci fabricated? Can you provide any other examples of things she has fabricated? Are they all about Wikileaks, or does she fabricate things about lots of people and orgs? • To be clear, you're saying that Tefukci did not fabricate that Wikileaks tweeted links to the voter dump, nor did she fabricate the irresponsible and harmful information contained in this dump, right? Did she fabricate anything about this incident, or are you just saying we should expect her to mislead us? • You said "The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump". Zeynep Tefukci claims that Wikileaks tweeted "Here’s the full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more" with a link to the page to download the voter dump: https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063575-CoS7gTvXYAEZmTn.jpg https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063... Is that purported tweet a fabrication, and if so what evidence is there that it's a fabrication? (E.g. the original image that was manipulated to fabricate the screenshot of the tweet, or a link to the tweet whose screenshot was manipulated, or a report asserting that her screenshot was a fabrication from a news source more reputable than HuffPo--not an outrageously high bar, I think we can agree.) Or are you saying that though they tweeted that, nonetheless the voter dump mistake should be considered irrelevant to the AKP email dump story?