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Julian Assange used to be hailed as a hero for exposing American hypocrisy, but with the secretive way wikileaks operated and the track record of anti-US releas

Julian Assange used to be hailed as a hero for exposing American hypocrisy, but with the secretive way wikileaks operated and the track record of anti-US releases, perhaps it was only a matter of time before Assange and wikileaks were used as pawns for geopolitics. Still, I'm curious when did Assange willingly start working for Russia --- was it from the very beginning, or was it after his legal troubles? I wonder what Snowden thinks of the whole situation, as Assange did help him get to Russia. Has Snowden been actively involved in US politics (the way Assange and wikileaks substantially affected the last US presidential election)?

lazyjones 7y ago
You'd think that after the stupid Russian collusion story was dismantled by the recent Mueller report, people would be a little more careful with such paranoid allegations, but here we go...
- moccachino 7y ago
  >You'd think that after the stupid Russian collusion story was dismantled by the recent Mueller report Not true at all. No one except the DoJ and probably white house have seen the Mueller report. They do all they can to prevent people from seeing this supposedly exonerating report.
- pcnix 7y ago
  You mean the Mueller report that hasn't been released yet?
  - just_a_dev 7y ago
    Lol.
- pjc50 7y ago
  The story was hardly dismantled. A number of people have actually pled guilty and been jailed for crimes as a result. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/m...
  - billfruit 7y ago
    None have plead guilty or sentenced for collusion or collaboration with Russia. They have been convicted for lying to federal officials or some such offense.
- zimpenfish 7y ago
  > after the stupid Russian collusion story was dismantled by the recent Mueller report Hardly anyone has actually read the full 400 page report. And "collusion" has a specific legal meaning which can easily be skirted by a whole raft of plausible deniability methods - Mueller is a stickler; he's almost certainly not going to say "collusion" happened unless he has definitive proof that would hold up in court.
- bjourne 7y ago
  Yes, but this twitter convo between WikiLeaks and Donald Trump Jr. is pretty damning. https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/930228239494209536 https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/930228239494209536
  - Sacho 7y ago
    What's so damning about that convo? Try reading that conversation with the assumption that WL is a neutral party that wants to advance its own interests: - leak more documents(Trump tax returns) - get more publicity(asking Trump Jr to retweet/push their stories and lead viewers to their site) - fight allegations of partisanship(publish anti-Trump documents) How else would you approach Donald Trump Jr in this conversation? You need to give him some reason to help you.
paulcarroty 7y ago
> I wonder what Snowden thinks Guess all Snowden posts is curated by KGB.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  everything of substance that a US based journalist says is voluntarily in line with the position of the CIA (self censorship). If not they'd have to be living in a country without extradition (e.g. Greenwald). I'm re-reading the Gulag Archipelago right now and considering the parallels to US's secret prisons, torture programs etc they are not at all more free than Stalin Russia. A nation of fucking slaves.
thecatspaw 7y ago
> Has Snowden been actively involved in US politics Uh, the snowden leaks?

lazyjones 7y ago

You'd think that after the stupid Russian collusion story was dismantled by the recent Mueller report, people would be a little more careful with such paranoid allegations, but here we go...

moccachino 7y ago
>You'd think that after the stupid Russian collusion story was dismantled by the recent Mueller report Not true at all. No one except the DoJ and probably white house have seen the Mueller report. They do all they can to prevent people from seeing this supposedly exonerating report.
pcnix 7y ago
You mean the Mueller report that hasn't been released yet?
- just_a_dev 7y ago
  Lol.
pjc50 7y ago
The story was hardly dismantled. A number of people have actually pled guilty and been jailed for crimes as a result. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/m...
- billfruit 7y ago
  None have plead guilty or sentenced for collusion or collaboration with Russia. They have been convicted for lying to federal officials or some such offense.
zimpenfish 7y ago
> after the stupid Russian collusion story was dismantled by the recent Mueller report Hardly anyone has actually read the full 400 page report. And "collusion" has a specific legal meaning which can easily be skirted by a whole raft of plausible deniability methods - Mueller is a stickler; he's almost certainly not going to say "collusion" happened unless he has definitive proof that would hold up in court.
bjourne 7y ago
Yes, but this twitter convo between WikiLeaks and Donald Trump Jr. is pretty damning. https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/930228239494209536 https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/930228239494209536
- Sacho 7y ago
  What's so damning about that convo? Try reading that conversation with the assumption that WL is a neutral party that wants to advance its own interests: - leak more documents(Trump tax returns) - get more publicity(asking Trump Jr to retweet/push their stories and lead viewers to their site) - fight allegations of partisanship(publish anti-Trump documents) How else would you approach Donald Trump Jr in this conversation? You need to give him some reason to help you.

paulcarroty 7y ago

> I wonder what Snowden thinks Guess all Snowden posts is curated by KGB.

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
everything of substance that a US based journalist says is voluntarily in line with the position of the CIA (self censorship). If not they'd have to be living in a country without extradition (e.g. Greenwald). I'm re-reading the Gulag Archipelago right now and considering the parallels to US's secret prisons, torture programs etc they are not at all more free than Stalin Russia. A nation of fucking slaves.

thecatspaw 7y ago

> Has Snowden been actively involved in US politics Uh, the snowden leaks?