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She seems like a lucky Elizabeth Holmes type.

devoply 7y ago
Yeah pretty much, I don't see much going on with many of these high status women (and men) other than their network. Especially when their actual performance doesn't speak volumes.
- akozak 7y ago
  Damn, check your biases.
  - devoply 7y ago
    I feel the same way about many CEOs.
    - akozak 7y ago
      Cool but you chose to say "high status women" instead of "CEOs".
- antt 7y ago
  To be fair I don't see much going on with all the high status men either. I'm reminded of the chimps who outperformed the stock markets: https://www.ft.com/content/abd15744-9793-11e2-b7ef-00144feabdc0 https://www.ft.com/content/abd15744-9793-11e2-b7ef-00144feab... of course replacing the cocaine bill with grapes dramatically lowers your running costs.
  - devoply 7y ago
    agreed.
- blueline 7y ago
  terrible and baseless generalization
- utopcell 7y ago
  Was it necessary to bring up gender ?
tomhoward 7y ago
Elizabeth Holmes is facing fraud charges. Marissa Mayer was an accomplished engineer and then a senior executive at Google through its transition from startup to behemoth, then took on the impossible task of rescuing Yahoo when no comparably experienced man wanted to step up to the plate, and facilitated a solid outcome for shareholders [1]. Reasonable people can debate the merits of her performance and impact at both companies, but these kinds of one-line dismissals of her entire career from armchair quarterbacks are disgraceful. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/yahoo-market-cap-over-time-2016-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/yahoo-market-cap-over-time-2...
- throwkd29488 7y ago
  > Marissa Mayer was an accomplished engineer and then a senior executive at Google through its transition from startup to behemoth She was a product manager not an engineer. Her greatest accomplishment according to her was keeping the home page simple by only including the search bar. She also made the right decision to invest heavily in google maps. You also left out the part where she slept with the founder during her time at Google, which undoubtedly gave her a leg up for promotions. > then took on the impossible task of rescuing Yahoo when no comparably experienced man wanted to step up to the plate She took it because she struck a sweat deal with board. In exchange for forgoing her google shares, she was able to reap 300 million in 4 years despite having an abysmal performance. Give any experience man that type of deal and I assure you there will be many that step up.
  - tomhoward 7y ago
    > She was a product manager not an engineer This is false. She completed a master's in computer science and had built machine learning systems in her studies and internships in the late 90s. She was in the first 20 employees at Google and started out as an engineer, building the first version of what would become Adwords. Then she went into product management and engineering management. Perhaps she wasn't a good enough engineer; I don't know or care really. She was hired for her engineering talent, made a solid contribution as an engineer, then made an even bigger contribution as a product manager then as an executive - all for one of the most successful and internally-competitive companies of our generation. You don't achieve that by accident or by dating the boss. Your comment is pure armchair quarterbacking. People who have actually built or managed hugely successful companies don't make those kinds of dismissals.

Yeah pretty much, I don't see much going on with many of these high status women (and men) other than their network. Especially when their actual performance doesn't speak volumes.

akozak 7y ago
Damn, check your biases.
- devoply 7y ago
  I feel the same way about many CEOs.
  - akozak 7y ago
    Cool but you chose to say "high status women" instead of "CEOs".
antt 7y ago
To be fair I don't see much going on with all the high status men either. I'm reminded of the chimps who outperformed the stock markets: https://www.ft.com/content/abd15744-9793-11e2-b7ef-00144feabdc0 https://www.ft.com/content/abd15744-9793-11e2-b7ef-00144feab... of course replacing the cocaine bill with grapes dramatically lowers your running costs.
- devoply 7y ago
  agreed.
blueline 7y ago
terrible and baseless generalization
utopcell 7y ago
Was it necessary to bring up gender ?

tomhoward 7y ago

Elizabeth Holmes is facing fraud charges. Marissa Mayer was an accomplished engineer and then a senior executive at Google through its transition from startup to behemoth, then took on the impossible task of rescuing Yahoo when no comparably experienced man wanted to step up to the plate, and facilitated a solid outcome for shareholders [1]. Reasonable people can debate the merits of her performance and impact at both companies, but these kinds of one-line dismissals of her entire career from armchair quarterbacks are disgraceful. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/yahoo-market-cap-over-time-2016-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/yahoo-market-cap-over-time-2...

throwkd29488 7y ago
> Marissa Mayer was an accomplished engineer and then a senior executive at Google through its transition from startup to behemoth She was a product manager not an engineer. Her greatest accomplishment according to her was keeping the home page simple by only including the search bar. She also made the right decision to invest heavily in google maps. You also left out the part where she slept with the founder during her time at Google, which undoubtedly gave her a leg up for promotions. > then took on the impossible task of rescuing Yahoo when no comparably experienced man wanted to step up to the plate She took it because she struck a sweat deal with board. In exchange for forgoing her google shares, she was able to reap 300 million in 4 years despite having an abysmal performance. Give any experience man that type of deal and I assure you there will be many that step up.
- tomhoward 7y ago
  > She was a product manager not an engineer This is false. She completed a master's in computer science and had built machine learning systems in her studies and internships in the late 90s. She was in the first 20 employees at Google and started out as an engineer, building the first version of what would become Adwords. Then she went into product management and engineering management. Perhaps she wasn't a good enough engineer; I don't know or care really. She was hired for her engineering talent, made a solid contribution as an engineer, then made an even bigger contribution as a product manager then as an executive - all for one of the most successful and internally-competitive companies of our generation. You don't achieve that by accident or by dating the boss. Your comment is pure armchair quarterbacking. People who have actually built or managed hugely successful companies don't make those kinds of dismissals.