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- zabana 7y agoI find it hilariously ironic that most commenters on this thread express their concern over China for their supposed attempt at "gaining control over foreign lands". As if Western nations haven't been involved in military campaigns in most of the middle east and now even Africa for decades now.
- krapp 7y agoI find it hilariously ironic that a community that prides itself on intellectual argument and novelty considers equivocating the US or the West with China to be an effective way to discredit or dismiss criticisms of Chinese policy, by implying that any such criticisms by Americans or Westerners must be hypocritical. In literally every thread about China.
- zabana 7y agoThat's the thing about being put in front of the mirror: it hurts.
- Krasnol 7y agoThat doesn't make any sense. If "the west" is so evil, than it won't hurt it. Quite the opposite. You don't even make sense within your own reality.
- dang 7y agoPlease edit personal swipes out of what you post here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- krapp 7y ago> That's the thing about being put in front of the mirror: it hurts. It doesn't, unless you're a gorgon or a vampire. No one is affected by this tactic. No one is hurt by it, shocked, or shamed, no one has the scales fall from their eyes at the revelation of the true nature of Western imperialism in the light of this simple reversal.
- educationdata 7y agoThis guy's another comment: Quote: I may be overly cynical but it seems to me that China is the most honest country involved in governmental mass surveillance. They never tried to hide the intent behind their decisions whereas western nations always bring up false pretenses to eat away at their people's rights and freedoms. The most pathetic of all being "terrorism". We're all headed in the same direction, it's just going to be achieved through different means.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't. What you're doing here crosses into personal attack and is therefore not allowed on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- GauntletWizard 7y agodang, I want to respectfully disagree with you and ask that you reconsider your stance on this thread and others like it. If discussing holding up a mirror to our own actions isn't a good place to hold up a mirror to other's own actions, where do you draw the line, then? Assuming good faith only works so long as you have a community acting in good faith. If you don't hold people to that standard, assuming good faith will only lead you astray.
- Krasnol 7y agoI find it hilariously unmasking that in every single China discussion there is at least one person with the usual "evil west did it too once" whataboutism.
- usaphp 7y agoAnd another couple who accuse them of "whataboutism" without providing any valuable response.
- krapp 7y agoThe only valuable response to whataboutism is to mock it and those who employ it. One doesn't need to put effort into responding to trolls or calling them out.
- seppin 7y ago"Your honor, it's absurd to charge my client with murder. People get murdered all the time."
- Krasnol 7y agoI'd argue that the fact that there is a trend to whataboutise in China threads has more value than the actual whataboutism. It may not be a lot but it doesn't need much to be more then a whataboutism. Where is the value in your comment?
- usaphp 7y ago> Where is the value in your comment? To urge people not to engage into this pointless debate, you won't change their opinion by calling it whataboutism and will only enforce it since neither you nor him provided any valuable points in the discussion.
- Krasnol 7y agoAgain: where is the value in your comment?
- seppin 7y agoBecause one bad thing erases the second. Nice false choice, you can be against western imperialism (which doesn't exist anymore) and Chinese economic exploitation and loan enslavement (which is just getting started)
- dang 7y agoWould you please not break the site guidelines by posting obvious flamebait about divisive topics? Nationalistic flamewar, which is what you started here, is completely unwelcome on HN. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful. They include: Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
- dang 7y agoComments moved to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19470313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19470313, except the low-rent flamewar.