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Here you're arguing nonsense. Venezuela does not have a functional democracy under the Maduro government and the declaration of Guaido as interim president was

Here you're arguing nonsense. Venezuela does not have a functional democracy under the Maduro government and the declaration of Guaido as interim president was absolutely an internal constitutional matter. The National Assembly (the equivalent of the U.S House of representatives basically) of the country, which is the only legislative body in the government where anything like a legitimate political opposition exists, declared Guaido interim president under Article 233 of the country's legal constitution, until a fully supervised and open election could be held due to the grossly rigged nature of the most recent Maduro victory, which had itself been approved by Maduro's own party-loyal replacement to the National Assembly, this replacement being called the "National Constituent Assembly". Maduro had originally disavowed the National Assembly in 2017 in favor of his specially created Constituent National Assembly because the legitimate National Assembly wouldn't allow him to replace the standing constitution of Venezuela with a new one that allowed him to stay in power indefinitely. And you call this shit show an advanced election system? Imagine if Trump tried to replace the U.S constitution, had this blocked by the House, then disavowed and replaced the House with his own special congress of purely loyal republicans, then had a rigged election to make himself president a third time, with the majority of the original, real U.S House declaring him illegitimate as a result, causing him to then declare them liberal-sponsored meddlers and further try to marginalize them.. Well, sort of the same thing in effect, but because the Maduro government is leftist, somehow this is considered perfectly alright and democratic by far too many people...

throw2016 8y ago
You clearly haven't read the links from the UN itself that comprehensively debunk these kind of uninformed propaganda. Over 150 observers from 30 countries [1] observed the elections and declared it free and fair so you are spreading uninformed propaganda. For those interested in the truth please watch the in depth interview with the UN rapporteur [2] to understand what is happening on the ground. Normal people will take the word of the UN rapporteur and multiple independent observers. For those merely interested in abusing the lives of millions of innocent people, 'democracy' and 'human rights' to further greed filled agendas the truth does not matter. [1] https://fair.org/home/media-delegitimize-venezuelan-elections-amid-complete-unanimity-of-outlook/ https://fair.org/home/media-delegitimize-venezuelan-election... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5MlQgGXyk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5MlQgGXyk
- falcrist 8y ago
  > You clearly haven't read the links from the UN itself that comprehensively debunk these kind of uninformed propaganda. I've been all over un.org. I can't find any of these links. I don't think the UN has even investigated the elections yet, and they never actually sent observers. Proposals to start an investigation seem to be stuck in the security council. I have to comment on that first link you provided. This appears to be the most biased article I've come across with regards to the elections. There is no mention of candidates that were banned from running (including, but not limited to Henrique Capriles, Leopoldo López, Antonio Ledezma, Freddy Guevara, David Smolansky, María Corina Machado, and Miguel Rodríguez Torres); No mention of unconstitutional spending of public funds on maduro's campaign; No mention of parties being disqualified and forced to re-register weeks before the election; No mention of the fact that some political parties refused to run because of all of this; No mention of the limitations placed on international observers, OR the fact that no international observers were reported to be present No mention of protests rejecting the election; No mention that Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, and Saint Lucia, stated prior to the elections that they would not recognize the results; etc. Instead, the article focuses on accusing the "western media" of being propaganda... because English-speaking news outlets use the word "amid" (why this is bad is never established). Yet it's not just the media that cast doubt on the election. Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom, refused to recognize the election results and called for new, democratic elections. I also love how MacLeod made a claim about an unnamed originator of a story about how expensive condoms were... and then linked to a reddit AMA featuring none other than MacLeod himself. In the AMA he makes the same claim with the same wording. He actually makes a few of the same claims as he answers questions that were never asked. This whole article seems to be nonsense. I haven't previously heard of "Fair", but they seem to be named ironically. If you want a less biased view of the elections, I'd start with the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_e...
  - 8y ago

throw2016 8y ago

You clearly haven't read the links from the UN itself that comprehensively debunk these kind of uninformed propaganda. Over 150 observers from 30 countries [1] observed the elections and declared it free and fair so you are spreading uninformed propaganda. For those interested in the truth please watch the in depth interview with the UN rapporteur [2] to understand what is happening on the ground. Normal people will take the word of the UN rapporteur and multiple independent observers. For those merely interested in abusing the lives of millions of innocent people, 'democracy' and 'human rights' to further greed filled agendas the truth does not matter. [1] https://fair.org/home/media-delegitimize-venezuelan-elections-amid-complete-unanimity-of-outlook/ https://fair.org/home/media-delegitimize-venezuelan-election... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5MlQgGXyk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5MlQgGXyk

falcrist 8y ago
> You clearly haven't read the links from the UN itself that comprehensively debunk these kind of uninformed propaganda. I've been all over un.org. I can't find any of these links. I don't think the UN has even investigated the elections yet, and they never actually sent observers. Proposals to start an investigation seem to be stuck in the security council. I have to comment on that first link you provided. This appears to be the most biased article I've come across with regards to the elections. There is no mention of candidates that were banned from running (including, but not limited to Henrique Capriles, Leopoldo López, Antonio Ledezma, Freddy Guevara, David Smolansky, María Corina Machado, and Miguel Rodríguez Torres); No mention of unconstitutional spending of public funds on maduro's campaign; No mention of parties being disqualified and forced to re-register weeks before the election; No mention of the fact that some political parties refused to run because of all of this; No mention of the limitations placed on international observers, OR the fact that no international observers were reported to be present No mention of protests rejecting the election; No mention that Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, and Saint Lucia, stated prior to the elections that they would not recognize the results; etc. Instead, the article focuses on accusing the "western media" of being propaganda... because English-speaking news outlets use the word "amid" (why this is bad is never established). Yet it's not just the media that cast doubt on the election. Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom, refused to recognize the election results and called for new, democratic elections. I also love how MacLeod made a claim about an unnamed originator of a story about how expensive condoms were... and then linked to a reddit AMA featuring none other than MacLeod himself. In the AMA he makes the same claim with the same wording. He actually makes a few of the same claims as he answers questions that were never asked. This whole article seems to be nonsense. I haven't previously heard of "Fair", but they seem to be named ironically. If you want a less biased view of the elections, I'd start with the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_e...
- 8y ago