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What about the LDS influence. I'd be worried about moving here to start a family.

gotocake 8y ago
Outside of a few issues there isn’t much influence, unless you’re in the church. One nice thing about Mormons is that at least outside of a missionary context abroad, they take “no” for an answer with grace. I wouldn’t want to join their club, but I like them as neighbors. Their cooking can be a little uninspiring, but the hospitality and friendliness is world class. SLC is also a gorgeous part of the world, if you like to hike or climb it’s one of the best. The city itself is also not exclusively Mormon, although it’s not NYC levels or diverse either. I’d recommend a visit to see if you like it.
- compiler-guy 8y ago
  "The Liquor laws of Utah regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol in the United States state of Utah and are some of the most restrictive in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah Mormons account for nearly 90 percent of state Legislature https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 Utah is America's worst state for women's equality in 2018, study shows https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for-womens-equality-in-2018 https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for...
  - gotocake 8y ago
    Yep, if you’re a big drinker Utah can be a little rough, although personally when I was there on business I never had a problem. From my perspective as a non-religious person and a non-Christian I also don’t find Mormonism any stranger than other sects of Christianity either, but again if they make you uncomfortable Utah is to be avoided as a place to live. As for the last point, I suppose it could be for some very broad definitions of equality. Your link references this survey: https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-equality/5835/#methodology https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-eq... I don’t find it massively convincing, but YMMV.
  - jjeaff 8y ago
    To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace. The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS women are much less likely to work full time and they choose not to take on demanding positions because it has been their dream to raise a family and be with their kids. This also results in many choosing to do less schooling. If your dream is to raise a family, getting your master's degree is probably not going to be necessary for that. Especially if you are already started on that family before you finish your undergrad. In other words, using the criteria of this survey, the only way to make women more "equal" in Utah, would be to force them to do things they don't want to do. Now, there might be issues in the workplace where women are not treated well or where they are paid less for the same job (to a worse degree than the rest of the U.S.) but nothing in that survey indicates that.
    - rvp-x 8y ago
      Equality doesn't stop at the workplace. You are saying the home life of people is extremely unequal and gender-biased.
      - jjeaff 8y ago
        So let's force those women into the workplace?? If more women would prefer to stay home and raise children, does that mean they are not equal? I do not think so. They are doing the more noble thing. And apparently, a much higher percentage of women than men, want to stay home.
    - compiler-guy 8y ago
      My point in referencing isn't to judge whether the situation is good, bad, or indifferent. And it may well be that women there are making these choices freely--I'm not in any position to judge. But the point is that the culture in Utah is driven in large measure by the significant Mormon influence. Indeed, women may well be choosing to stay home because of that Mormon influence. All fine and good--if that's what people want to do, more power to them--I'm not going to judge. But this culture does seep out into the broader Utah culture, and denying that (as the post I was originally responding to does), is making an error.

Outside of a few issues there isn’t much influence, unless you’re in the church. One nice thing about Mormons is that at least outside of a missionary context abroad, they take “no” for an answer with grace. I wouldn’t want to join their club, but I like them as neighbors. Their cooking can be a little uninspiring, but the hospitality and friendliness is world class. SLC is also a gorgeous part of the world, if you like to hike or climb it’s one of the best. The city itself is also not exclusively Mormon, although it’s not NYC levels or diverse either. I’d recommend a visit to see if you like it.

compiler-guy 8y ago
"The Liquor laws of Utah regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol in the United States state of Utah and are some of the most restrictive in the United States." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah Mormons account for nearly 90 percent of state Legislature https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 https://www.apnews.com/286983987f484cb182fba9334c52a617 Utah is America's worst state for women's equality in 2018, study shows https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for-womens-equality-in-2018 https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-is-americas-worst-state-for...
- gotocake 8y ago
  Yep, if you’re a big drinker Utah can be a little rough, although personally when I was there on business I never had a problem. From my perspective as a non-religious person and a non-Christian I also don’t find Mormonism any stranger than other sects of Christianity either, but again if they make you uncomfortable Utah is to be avoided as a place to live. As for the last point, I suppose it could be for some very broad definitions of equality. Your link references this survey: https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-equality/5835/#methodology https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-eq... I don’t find it massively convincing, but YMMV.
- jjeaff 8y ago
  To call that ranking an "equality" survey is misleading. It measures average salary, executive positions, political office, and educational attainment. But that proves nothing on whether women are treated equally or given equal rights or are treated fairly in the workplace. The fact is, many, many LDS women choose to be full time mothers and homemakers. There are much fewer women in the workforce because of this. LDS women are much less likely to work full time and they choose not to take on demanding positions because it has been their dream to raise a family and be with their kids. This also results in many choosing to do less schooling. If your dream is to raise a family, getting your master's degree is probably not going to be necessary for that. Especially if you are already started on that family before you finish your undergrad. In other words, using the criteria of this survey, the only way to make women more "equal" in Utah, would be to force them to do things they don't want to do. Now, there might be issues in the workplace where women are not treated well or where they are paid less for the same job (to a worse degree than the rest of the U.S.) but nothing in that survey indicates that.
  - rvp-x 8y ago
    Equality doesn't stop at the workplace. You are saying the home life of people is extremely unequal and gender-biased.
    - jjeaff 8y ago
      So let's force those women into the workplace?? If more women would prefer to stay home and raise children, does that mean they are not equal? I do not think so. They are doing the more noble thing. And apparently, a much higher percentage of women than men, want to stay home.
  - compiler-guy 8y ago
    My point in referencing isn't to judge whether the situation is good, bad, or indifferent. And it may well be that women there are making these choices freely--I'm not in any position to judge. But the point is that the culture in Utah is driven in large measure by the significant Mormon influence. Indeed, women may well be choosing to stay home because of that Mormon influence. All fine and good--if that's what people want to do, more power to them--I'm not going to judge. But this culture does seep out into the broader Utah culture, and denying that (as the post I was originally responding to does), is making an error.