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They wrote "the previous Q2 estimate is now confirmed for Q3 product shipping." I haven't gone back to see what they said/estimated in the past, but going from

They wrote "the previous Q2 estimate is now confirmed for Q3 product shipping." I haven't gone back to see what they said/estimated in the past, but going from an estimate to a ship date that's only off by 1 quarter seems acceptable to me.

r3bl 8y ago
It was moved from January 2019 (in the original kickstarter), to April, to Q2, and now finally to Q3. That's a quite significant delay, but I personally don't mind as long as the final product arrives by the end of the year.
- Casseres 8y ago
  Yeah, that is a bit disappointing. I would probably be irritated if it went into Q4, but considering I wouldn't know where to begin if I were to build a phone from scratch, I can't complain... too loudly.
- wiz21c 8y ago
  I answer here because I'm sure it's ommon amongst HN reader. If you think this : >> I personally don't mind as long as the final product arrives by the end of the year. Then it's useless to complaint that : >> That's a quite significant delay, but If freedom is at stake, then a few months later is of no importance.
  - rat9988 8y ago
    >>If freedom is at stake, then a few months later is of no importance. It didn't get delayed because of freedom though.
dingaling 8y ago
It's still an estimate.
- Casseres 8y ago
  Do you have a source? They said "confirmed". Of course you could say everything is an estimate up until the point it actually happens.
Digital-Citizen 8y ago
Not only is that acceptable, if they deliver a device that respects the user's software freedom, respects the user's privacy, leaves the user in control as much as they wish to pursue (with both software and user-serviceable hardware), and still deliver a device that can handle phone calls it will be far ahead of their competition. I'll be interested to see how far such an endeavor goes on those points. That is how unique a privacy-centered tracker[1] is these days -- such a novelty when virtually all of the other comparable devices on the market routinely run proprietary code and lack the ability to physically disable connectivity completely under the user's control (and via hardware, not software). [1] I call it a tracker because I believe that's a more honest name for what these devices do when they're enabled on wireless and phone networks -- they request their geolocation many times per minute (and, in so doing, allow others to track that location as well). Handling phone calls happens far less frequently.

r3bl 8y ago

It was moved from January 2019 (in the original kickstarter), to April, to Q2, and now finally to Q3. That's a quite significant delay, but I personally don't mind as long as the final product arrives by the end of the year.

Casseres 8y ago
Yeah, that is a bit disappointing. I would probably be irritated if it went into Q4, but considering I wouldn't know where to begin if I were to build a phone from scratch, I can't complain... too loudly.
wiz21c 8y ago
I answer here because I'm sure it's ommon amongst HN reader. If you think this : >> I personally don't mind as long as the final product arrives by the end of the year. Then it's useless to complaint that : >> That's a quite significant delay, but If freedom is at stake, then a few months later is of no importance.
- rat9988 8y ago
  >>If freedom is at stake, then a few months later is of no importance. It didn't get delayed because of freedom though.

dingaling 8y ago

It's still an estimate.

Casseres 8y ago
Do you have a source? They said "confirmed". Of course you could say everything is an estimate up until the point it actually happens.

Digital-Citizen 8y ago

Not only is that acceptable, if they deliver a device that respects the user's software freedom, respects the user's privacy, leaves the user in control as much as they wish to pursue (with both software and user-serviceable hardware), and still deliver a device that can handle phone calls it will be far ahead of their competition. I'll be interested to see how far such an endeavor goes on those points. That is how unique a privacy-centered tracker[1] is these days -- such a novelty when virtually all of the other comparable devices on the market routinely run proprietary code and lack the ability to physically disable connectivity completely under the user's control (and via hardware, not software). [1] I call it a tracker because I believe that's a more honest name for what these devices do when they're enabled on wireless and phone networks -- they request their geolocation many times per minute (and, in so doing, allow others to track that location as well). Handling phone calls happens far less frequently.