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> country has the right to determine what kind of immigrants it prefers Yeah, obviously. You prefer we discriminate based on college education. Why? Don’t peop

> country has the right to determine what kind of immigrants it prefers Yeah, obviously. You prefer we discriminate based on college education. Why? Don’t people without masters degrees deserve equal treatment? Equal opportunity? > The country shouldn’t take in for employment a bunch of people it doesn’t need should it? The country isn’t a person. If a company wants to hire someone, then obviously they do “need” them.

arcticbull 8y ago
College education is a proxy for knowledge and skills of value, however the green card system (not sure if it applies to H1s) provides an equivalence when assigning preferences. EB3 is a bachelors degree or 5 years work experience, and an EB2 preference is a masters or a bachelors + 5 years or 10 years work experience. I don’t necessarily believe caps are valuable on immigration but given that we’re working within a framework where they’re a thing, shouldn’t we prioritize on skill instead of using a lottery - assuming there’s more interest and companies willing to hire than slots?
- simplecomplex 8y ago
  > shouldn’t we prioritize on skill instead of using a lottery Why? It's not a prioritization based on employer needs or what employers want. Obviously if one has a degree they enjoy being a protected class, and if they don't have a degree they don't like being discriminated against. At least a lottery gave equal opportunity. I also want to point out that this policy is not what companies want. They want the removal of sponsorship requirements and quotas. They generally want to be free to hire who they want.
  - arcticbull 8y ago
    I think that's fair, but I also think that companies don't always want what's best for the workers, just for themselves. This kind of regulation helps ensure the system isn't abused. I can see an argument for it both ways, tbh.

arcticbull 8y ago

College education is a proxy for knowledge and skills of value, however the green card system (not sure if it applies to H1s) provides an equivalence when assigning preferences. EB3 is a bachelors degree or 5 years work experience, and an EB2 preference is a masters or a bachelors + 5 years or 10 years work experience. I don’t necessarily believe caps are valuable on immigration but given that we’re working within a framework where they’re a thing, shouldn’t we prioritize on skill instead of using a lottery - assuming there’s more interest and companies willing to hire than slots?

simplecomplex 8y ago
> shouldn’t we prioritize on skill instead of using a lottery Why? It's not a prioritization based on employer needs or what employers want. Obviously if one has a degree they enjoy being a protected class, and if they don't have a degree they don't like being discriminated against. At least a lottery gave equal opportunity. I also want to point out that this policy is not what companies want. They want the removal of sponsorship requirements and quotas. They generally want to be free to hire who they want.
- arcticbull 8y ago
  I think that's fair, but I also think that companies don't always want what's best for the workers, just for themselves. This kind of regulation helps ensure the system isn't abused. I can see an argument for it both ways, tbh.