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Then spying, tracking, censorship of "offensive" or "unpatriotic" words depending on your political side for little gain of the little people. Of course, the st

Then spying, tracking, censorship of "offensive" or "unpatriotic" words depending on your political side for little gain of the little people. Of course, the state won't do anything to actually reduce mass shooting, they profit of fear and hate. History doesn't repeat, it is remixed.

Zecar 8y ago
Mass shootings are vanishingly rare. Your odds of being in one are microscopic.
- DanBC 8y ago
  Only if you use the perversely tight definition of 4 or more people killed (not including the shooter), not in a robbery, not as part of gang violence, not as part of domestic violence, and not including sponsored terrorist events, on the same day in close geographical proximity. As soon as you drop some of those requirements the numbers increase dramatically.
  - Zecar 8y ago
    In fact they do not
- munk-a 8y ago
  Lots of things are vanishingly rare, the odds of being in a mass shooting are a lot less vanishingly rare then I am comfortable with. If the odds were up near where tornado deaths are I'd prefer it. The numbers I saw gave a 1/11125 chance per year of being killed in a mass shooting in the US.
  - solveit 8y ago
    That number looks wrong. It can't be the case that thirty thousand people die in mass shootings every year in the US.
    - 13of40 8y ago
      I think they're probably quoting the chance over a lifetime, assuming rates stay the same. According to Wikipedia, 382 people died in mass shootings in 2018.
    - hooloovoo_zoo 8y ago
      There are roughly 30000 gun-related deaths per year in the U.S., but far fewer from mass shootings as you say https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootings/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootin.... You can also see the gun deaths broken down here. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/
    - patrickm129 8y ago
      Yeah that number is outright false for "mass shootings". This figure originates from the approximate 33k people that are killed by firearms per year. Of that number, somewhere around 23k are individual suicides with firearms. Of the remaining approximate 10k deaths, 80% are gang related incidents. Source is the FBI UCR.
    - UnpossibleJim 8y ago
      Gang violence is often included in mass shooting statistics, and rightfully so, but depending on the depiction or commercial are not shown as such. On the other side of the coin, often times, gang crime is taken out of mass shooting statistical data, making it look far less likely, but more realistic to rich, white, suburban targeted audiences that politicians tend to advertise to. Neither is a lie, but both data sets are "massaged" to suit political narratives popular with particular bases.
- Spooky23 8y ago
  Risk assessment fundamentally about probability and impact. We took measures to get serious about drunk driving because it increased the probability of car accidents, especially at night,and was killing people. On the flip side, we mandate tamper evident seals in medicine because the rare event of tampering hurt a small number of people, but undermined the citizens faith in the institutions they depend on. The mass shooting issue is like the pill bottle problem. It’s a serious matter with an obvious solution. At the end of the day, it’s a problem unleashed by marketing — as hunting and shooting sport participation evaporated, gunmakers were left with a problem. Now we have batshit crazy people with political power, which is a genie that will be difficult to put back in the bottle.
  - Zecar 8y ago
    > It’s a serious matter with an obvious solution. This is a bold statement. Why do you think the solutions are obvious? Do you believe this is a subject without nuance?
    - Spooky23 8y ago
      No gun, no bullet, no shooting. Look at the gun death rates in the northeast compared to the south.
- FiveSquared 8y ago
  However, it’s a shame that it happenes with frighting regularly in 2019! I probably won’t involve me but it’s a outrage.

Zecar 8y ago

Mass shootings are vanishingly rare. Your odds of being in one are microscopic.

DanBC 8y ago
Only if you use the perversely tight definition of 4 or more people killed (not including the shooter), not in a robbery, not as part of gang violence, not as part of domestic violence, and not including sponsored terrorist events, on the same day in close geographical proximity. As soon as you drop some of those requirements the numbers increase dramatically.
- Zecar 8y ago
  In fact they do not
munk-a 8y ago
Lots of things are vanishingly rare, the odds of being in a mass shooting are a lot less vanishingly rare then I am comfortable with. If the odds were up near where tornado deaths are I'd prefer it. The numbers I saw gave a 1/11125 chance per year of being killed in a mass shooting in the US.
- solveit 8y ago
  That number looks wrong. It can't be the case that thirty thousand people die in mass shootings every year in the US.
  - 13of40 8y ago
    I think they're probably quoting the chance over a lifetime, assuming rates stay the same. According to Wikipedia, 382 people died in mass shootings in 2018.
  - hooloovoo_zoo 8y ago
    There are roughly 30000 gun-related deaths per year in the U.S., but far fewer from mass shootings as you say https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootings/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootin.... You can also see the gun deaths broken down here. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/
  - patrickm129 8y ago
    Yeah that number is outright false for "mass shootings". This figure originates from the approximate 33k people that are killed by firearms per year. Of that number, somewhere around 23k are individual suicides with firearms. Of the remaining approximate 10k deaths, 80% are gang related incidents. Source is the FBI UCR.
  - UnpossibleJim 8y ago
    Gang violence is often included in mass shooting statistics, and rightfully so, but depending on the depiction or commercial are not shown as such. On the other side of the coin, often times, gang crime is taken out of mass shooting statistical data, making it look far less likely, but more realistic to rich, white, suburban targeted audiences that politicians tend to advertise to. Neither is a lie, but both data sets are "massaged" to suit political narratives popular with particular bases.
Spooky23 8y ago
Risk assessment fundamentally about probability and impact. We took measures to get serious about drunk driving because it increased the probability of car accidents, especially at night,and was killing people. On the flip side, we mandate tamper evident seals in medicine because the rare event of tampering hurt a small number of people, but undermined the citizens faith in the institutions they depend on. The mass shooting issue is like the pill bottle problem. It’s a serious matter with an obvious solution. At the end of the day, it’s a problem unleashed by marketing — as hunting and shooting sport participation evaporated, gunmakers were left with a problem. Now we have batshit crazy people with political power, which is a genie that will be difficult to put back in the bottle.
- Zecar 8y ago
  > It’s a serious matter with an obvious solution. This is a bold statement. Why do you think the solutions are obvious? Do you believe this is a subject without nuance?
  - Spooky23 8y ago
    No gun, no bullet, no shooting. Look at the gun death rates in the northeast compared to the south.
FiveSquared 8y ago
However, it’s a shame that it happenes with frighting regularly in 2019! I probably won’t involve me but it’s a outrage.