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> This implies you don't understand what privilege is. It's very literal. There is no blame in having it. It's not an "us vs. them" thing. And that implies you

by zorga 8y ago

> This implies you don't understand what privilege is. It's very literal. There is no blame in having it. It's not an "us vs. them" thing. And that implies you don't allow for those who reject the very political and racist concept of white privilege to reject this presupposition. It's not a matter of "understanding"; he's not failing to understand privilege, he's rejecting it and thus doesn't like her pushing those politics on him. > So? So he doesn't want to hear her whining about how white men are to blame for bad things that happened to her because he probably doesn't like listening to racist drivel. > Partially sounds fair if they did a lot of it. What's the problem? The problem is such thinking is fallacious. Just because bad things happened to her, and white men did it, in no way implies they did it because they're white. They probably all had hair to, does she blame all men with hair? Or to put it more scientifically, correlation isn't caution. What people call white privilege, generally isn't; usually it's just majority privilege which has nothing to do with whiteness and more importantly is not a bad thing at all. > That's political? Yes, it was; you don't think it was because you don't accept your own beliefs as political beliefs but rather as reality.

Dylan16807 8y ago
> he's not failing to understand privilege, he's rejecting it and thus doesn't like her pushing those politics on him. If he understands it then why does he think it's "odd" for her to have a white male husband? > So he doesn't want to hear her whining about how white men are to blame for bad things that happened to her because he probably doesn't like listening to racist drivel. When you're talking about abusive behavior online, and you describe the individuals that leveled the most abusive behavior at you, that's not "whining" or "racist". > What people call white privilege, generally isn't; usually it's just majority privilege which has nothing to do with whiteness and more importantly is not a bad thing at all. I'm happy to call it "majority privilege" if you want. I'm not sure how you think it's not a bad thing for certain races to get treated better than others, though. (Different ones depending on what area you're in.) > Yes, it was; you don't think it was because you don't accept your own beliefs as political beliefs but rather as reality. What beliefs? "The story had to have some kind of genders for the characters"? "It's not a horrible choice to pick the most common genders involved in adult sexual abuse[0]"? "It's possible to design a character with non-political motives"? [0] Honestly, I think any gender combo would have been fine here. Which ones would you find "non-political"? (Unless you think rape itself is political which would be weird.) And I know there are under-reporting issues for rape against males, that's why I used the term "sexual assault" to avoid miscategorization problems. It's an unfortunate fact that men commit more sexual assaults, and when they are not against children assaulters usually go for the gender they are attracted to. Here's some statistics: https://richardfelson.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/sex-assault-archives_onlinepdf.pdf https://richardfelson.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/sex-assaul...
- zorga 8y ago
  > If he understands it then why does he think it's "odd" for her to have a white male husband? It's odd for someone to be racist against whites when they're married to one; whining about white privilege _is racism_. Hating on whites is racism. Judging individuals by the color of their skin, and claiming they have privilege because of it, is racism. > When you're talking about abusive behavior online, and you describe the individuals that leveled the most abusive behavior at you, that's not "whining" or "racist". They weren't online, they were in a classroom, his teacher chose an extremely left TED talk by a women whining about white privilege because she'd been abused by bad men. They didn't abuse her because they're white, but because they're abusers. Blaming white privilege for their behavior most certainly is racism. > I'm happy to call it "majority privilege" if you want. I'm not sure how you think it's not a bad thing for certain races to get treated better than others, though. (Different ones depending on what area you're in.) It's not a bad thing for the majority to be what society optimizes for; it's not privilege, it's how cultures work. > What beliefs? Your belief in "white privilege". > "The story had to have some kind of genders for the characters"? "It's not a horrible choice to pick the most common genders involved in adult sexual abuse[0]"? "It's possible to design a character with non-political motives"? Making your students write a story about a man trying to rape a woman is an unnecessary vulgarity in a writing class, it's nothing more than the teacher trying to impose her left'y political views about white privilege onto students. There's a thousand other less political things they could have been asked to write about that were serve the goal of learning to write just as well.

by zorga 8y ago

Dylan16807 8y ago

> he's not failing to understand privilege, he's rejecting it and thus doesn't like her pushing those politics on him. If he understands it then why does he think it's "odd" for her to have a white male husband? > So he doesn't want to hear her whining about how white men are to blame for bad things that happened to her because he probably doesn't like listening to racist drivel. When you're talking about abusive behavior online, and you describe the individuals that leveled the most abusive behavior at you, that's not "whining" or "racist". > What people call white privilege, generally isn't; usually it's just majority privilege which has nothing to do with whiteness and more importantly is not a bad thing at all. I'm happy to call it "majority privilege" if you want. I'm not sure how you think it's not a bad thing for certain races to get treated better than others, though. (Different ones depending on what area you're in.) > Yes, it was; you don't think it was because you don't accept your own beliefs as political beliefs but rather as reality. What beliefs? "The story had to have some kind of genders for the characters"? "It's not a horrible choice to pick the most common genders involved in adult sexual abuse[0]"? "It's possible to design a character with non-political motives"? [0] Honestly, I think any gender combo would have been fine here. Which ones would you find "non-political"? (Unless you think rape itself is political which would be weird.) And I know there are under-reporting issues for rape against males, that's why I used the term "sexual assault" to avoid miscategorization problems. It's an unfortunate fact that men commit more sexual assaults, and when they are not against children assaulters usually go for the gender they are attracted to. Here's some statistics: https://richardfelson.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/sex-assault-archives_onlinepdf.pdf https://richardfelson.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/sex-assaul...

zorga 8y ago
> If he understands it then why does he think it's "odd" for her to have a white male husband? It's odd for someone to be racist against whites when they're married to one; whining about white privilege _is racism_. Hating on whites is racism. Judging individuals by the color of their skin, and claiming they have privilege because of it, is racism. > When you're talking about abusive behavior online, and you describe the individuals that leveled the most abusive behavior at you, that's not "whining" or "racist". They weren't online, they were in a classroom, his teacher chose an extremely left TED talk by a women whining about white privilege because she'd been abused by bad men. They didn't abuse her because they're white, but because they're abusers. Blaming white privilege for their behavior most certainly is racism. > I'm happy to call it "majority privilege" if you want. I'm not sure how you think it's not a bad thing for certain races to get treated better than others, though. (Different ones depending on what area you're in.) It's not a bad thing for the majority to be what society optimizes for; it's not privilege, it's how cultures work. > What beliefs? Your belief in "white privilege". > "The story had to have some kind of genders for the characters"? "It's not a horrible choice to pick the most common genders involved in adult sexual abuse[0]"? "It's possible to design a character with non-political motives"? Making your students write a story about a man trying to rape a woman is an unnecessary vulgarity in a writing class, it's nothing more than the teacher trying to impose her left'y political views about white privilege onto students. There's a thousand other less political things they could have been asked to write about that were serve the goal of learning to write just as well.