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socialism != fascism they're completely opposite on the spectrum. socialism is people's democratic ownership of property and government.

visarga 8y ago
Going into semantics! Has there even been a 'true socialism' by your definition?
- AngryData 8y ago
  Would you be saying the same thing if someone said North Korea was democratic and then dismiss any arguments that it isn't democratic as 'semantics'? Simplistic generalizations on complex, broad, and especially controversial topics pretty much always results in ignorance based conclusions.
microcolonel 8y ago
Socialism is the unconditional surrender of all property (including the person) to the state, through whatever legal fiction provides for that. The "demos" in your "democratic ownership" is "The People", not the people. And frankly, if you ever try to impose that on me, I will treat it just as any other form of assault (as will many with me across North America).
- prolikewhoa 8y ago
  Socialism does not argue for taking your personal property, only property that is used for making profit which will then be taken by the working class to earn their full labor value instead of having a boss steal the surplus value. A lot feel the same way about the system you impose on them.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    And what if my property includes part ownership of a business? Stocks, maybe? Including in my IRA or 401k? Then you're taking my property.
  - microcolonel 8y ago
    If I'm employing you, you're also employing me. I have the currency or in-kind value provided by others I business with, and you have some form of value to provide to me. Whether you provide that or not is up to you, but I'm not "stealing" anything. No "employer" imposes any system on anyone, they can only negotiate. People can feel whatever they'd like, that doesn't entitle them to property which is as much theirs as the neighbour's dog.
hevi_jos 8y ago
Actually they were not that far away. Mr Mussolini was a member of the Communist Party in Italy before creating its own version. The main difference between socialism and fascism(also called national socialism) is that instead of accepting the International Socialist agreement(that was supported[paid by] and controlled by Russia by the way), they decided to be on their own, that is nation interest are a priority over international agreements. The other important difference is that fascist were completely defeated, while communist won the WWII. That has made "fascist" an insult while "communist" is not. You can make films about Hitler or Mussolini being terrible, but you can not about Mao big leap and cultural revolution for example. Most documentation on Russia's atrocities has been destroyed.
- notfromhere 8y ago
  the difference between socialism and fascism is that fascism is largely protective of private property while socialism is for common ownership (on a wide spectrum of ideas around that). NSDAP went around privatizing industries and the government was deeply in-bed with private entities

visarga 8y ago

Going into semantics! Has there even been a 'true socialism' by your definition?

AngryData 8y ago
Would you be saying the same thing if someone said North Korea was democratic and then dismiss any arguments that it isn't democratic as 'semantics'? Simplistic generalizations on complex, broad, and especially controversial topics pretty much always results in ignorance based conclusions.

microcolonel 8y ago

Socialism is the unconditional surrender of all property (including the person) to the state, through whatever legal fiction provides for that. The "demos" in your "democratic ownership" is "The People", not the people. And frankly, if you ever try to impose that on me, I will treat it just as any other form of assault (as will many with me across North America).

prolikewhoa 8y ago
Socialism does not argue for taking your personal property, only property that is used for making profit which will then be taken by the working class to earn their full labor value instead of having a boss steal the surplus value. A lot feel the same way about the system you impose on them.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  And what if my property includes part ownership of a business? Stocks, maybe? Including in my IRA or 401k? Then you're taking my property.
- microcolonel 8y ago
  If I'm employing you, you're also employing me. I have the currency or in-kind value provided by others I business with, and you have some form of value to provide to me. Whether you provide that or not is up to you, but I'm not "stealing" anything. No "employer" imposes any system on anyone, they can only negotiate. People can feel whatever they'd like, that doesn't entitle them to property which is as much theirs as the neighbour's dog.

hevi_jos 8y ago

Actually they were not that far away. Mr Mussolini was a member of the Communist Party in Italy before creating its own version. The main difference between socialism and fascism(also called national socialism) is that instead of accepting the International Socialist agreement(that was supported[paid by] and controlled by Russia by the way), they decided to be on their own, that is nation interest are a priority over international agreements. The other important difference is that fascist were completely defeated, while communist won the WWII. That has made "fascist" an insult while "communist" is not. You can make films about Hitler or Mussolini being terrible, but you can not about Mao big leap and cultural revolution for example. Most documentation on Russia's atrocities has been destroyed.

notfromhere 8y ago
the difference between socialism and fascism is that fascism is largely protective of private property while socialism is for common ownership (on a wide spectrum of ideas around that). NSDAP went around privatizing industries and the government was deeply in-bed with private entities