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I've been an iPhone user for a decade and am a huge Apple fanboy, but even with that bias, I have to say this is a load of crap. Apple has been adding loads of

I've been an iPhone user for a decade and am a huge Apple fanboy, but even with that bias, I have to say this is a load of crap. Apple has been adding loads of undeletable bloat since forever. they only really let you start deleting the Apple pre-installed apps very recently. I still have a folder on my devices called "iCrap."

Bahamut 8y ago
There's a huge difference between Apple's built in apps and the third party apps doing who knows what background processing/data mining on phone usage. The effects on performance such as battery life is very noticeable.
- samstave 8y ago
  This is what I want to know; If you get a brand new device and it has FB app installed - but if you never open it or use FB, does that app still monitor things like browsing activity and report anything back to FB?
  - monkeynotes 8y ago
    Aren't android and iOS apps mostly sandboxed? It would be news to me if AppX could access browsing information from Chrome, at least without asking you for permission. Apps can't access folder i/o without permission, surely they can't monitor browsing history without permission.
    - dijit 8y ago
      iOS apps are heavily sandboxed (and given next to no process time when backgrounded). Android apps are a bit more free, that leads to a lot of apps being good at talking to each other. But the cost is that your sandbox is less sandboxy. Permissions are a moot point when you're talking about bundled apps because they're already going to be approved for all permissions.
suby 8y ago
I still remember them automatically downloading a U2 album to everyone's phone. They are definitely not without fualt in this area.
matchbok 8y ago
Bloatware != preinstalled OS software. There are 0 preinstalled third-party apps on the iPhone.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  iOS came with Facebook and Twitter not too long ago, not to mention Yahoo Weather, Google Maps, and a bunch of others. https://www.axios.com/apple-removes-facebook-and-twitter-integration-from-ios-11-1513302770-9a8b9da4-bb9c-439f-b237-5501884d11b0.html https://www.axios.com/apple-removes-facebook-and-twitter-int...
  - favorited 8y ago
    Those were system integration frameworks, specifically so you could sign in to your social networks in Settings. The apps were never preloaded.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      > Those were system integration framework In other words, applications that do far more than the stub on Samsung phones, and not only could they not be deleted, but they couldn't be disabled either, so they always showed up in Settings. https://www.cnet.com/how-to/understanding-facebook-integration-on-ios-6/ https://www.cnet.com/how-to/understanding-facebook-integrati...

Bahamut 8y ago

There's a huge difference between Apple's built in apps and the third party apps doing who knows what background processing/data mining on phone usage. The effects on performance such as battery life is very noticeable.

samstave 8y ago
This is what I want to know; If you get a brand new device and it has FB app installed - but if you never open it or use FB, does that app still monitor things like browsing activity and report anything back to FB?
- monkeynotes 8y ago
  Aren't android and iOS apps mostly sandboxed? It would be news to me if AppX could access browsing information from Chrome, at least without asking you for permission. Apps can't access folder i/o without permission, surely they can't monitor browsing history without permission.
  - dijit 8y ago
    iOS apps are heavily sandboxed (and given next to no process time when backgrounded). Android apps are a bit more free, that leads to a lot of apps being good at talking to each other. But the cost is that your sandbox is less sandboxy. Permissions are a moot point when you're talking about bundled apps because they're already going to be approved for all permissions.

suby 8y ago

I still remember them automatically downloading a U2 album to everyone's phone. They are definitely not without fualt in this area.

matchbok 8y ago

Bloatware != preinstalled OS software. There are 0 preinstalled third-party apps on the iPhone.

lern_too_spel 8y ago
iOS came with Facebook and Twitter not too long ago, not to mention Yahoo Weather, Google Maps, and a bunch of others. https://www.axios.com/apple-removes-facebook-and-twitter-integration-from-ios-11-1513302770-9a8b9da4-bb9c-439f-b237-5501884d11b0.html https://www.axios.com/apple-removes-facebook-and-twitter-int...
- favorited 8y ago
  Those were system integration frameworks, specifically so you could sign in to your social networks in Settings. The apps were never preloaded.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    > Those were system integration framework In other words, applications that do far more than the stub on Samsung phones, and not only could they not be deleted, but they couldn't be disabled either, so they always showed up in Settings. https://www.cnet.com/how-to/understanding-facebook-integration-on-ios-6/ https://www.cnet.com/how-to/understanding-facebook-integrati...