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So why not punish Israel as well?

by lowry 8y ago

pl1234 8y ago
because they control America and sacrifice the lives of innocent Americans to achieve their own ends
duaoebg 8y ago
I’m not touching that one
ams6110 8y ago
Israel is much closer to the western point of view on human rights for one thing. It's OK for there to be an objective right and wrong in a conflict.
- tjr225 8y ago
  Are you claiming that Israel is objectively right in this conflict? If so, can you clarify what you mean by that?
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- malvosenior 8y ago
  Many, many people would see the forced formation of a new country over the top of an existing country, against their will, as objectively wrong.
  - ars 8y ago
    > over the top of an existing country There was no existing country, it was British territory, and Ottoman, and others. The last time the place was an independent country it was part of the ancient Kingdom of Israel, around 2,200 years ago. And now it's an independent Israel again. Same place, same people, same name, same capital. Different laws and government though.
    - tareqak 8y ago
      There are and were different groups of people who existed there and considered that land their homeland.
      - user982 8y ago
        "Do you have a flag?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k
        tareqak 8y ago
        Exactly: arbitrary rules backed by a significant advantage in the use of force.
      - drak0n1c 8y ago
        Everyone who was living in the area that considered the land their homeland were welcome to stay, maintain their private property, and join the fledgling nation. Arabs who stayed and abided by the UN agreement were given first-class citizenship and many went on to become leaders, run successful businesses, and even serve as officers in the IDF. Unfortunately, many rejected the UN agreement and even rejected the terms for a second Palestinian state for the alternative of trusting the call of neighboring nations to flee and fight. Unfortunately those neighboring nations ended up reneging on their word after losing the wars that they started and were not so welcoming towards those who fled, setting the stage for the current quagmire. To be fair, the people alive now were not in a decision-making position back during the formation of Israel, but I wanted to bring up the historical context since we're discussing the formation period. More background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel

So why not punish Israel as well?

by lowry 8y ago

So why not punish Israel as well?

pl1234 8y ago

because they control America and sacrifice the lives of innocent Americans to achieve their own ends

duaoebg 8y ago

I’m not touching that one

ams6110 8y ago

Israel is much closer to the western point of view on human rights for one thing. It's OK for there to be an objective right and wrong in a conflict.

tjr225 8y ago
Are you claiming that Israel is objectively right in this conflict? If so, can you clarify what you mean by that?
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malvosenior 8y ago
Many, many people would see the forced formation of a new country over the top of an existing country, against their will, as objectively wrong.
- ars 8y ago
  > over the top of an existing country There was no existing country, it was British territory, and Ottoman, and others. The last time the place was an independent country it was part of the ancient Kingdom of Israel, around 2,200 years ago. And now it's an independent Israel again. Same place, same people, same name, same capital. Different laws and government though.
  - tareqak 8y ago
    There are and were different groups of people who existed there and considered that land their homeland.
    - user982 8y ago
      "Do you have a flag?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k
      - tareqak 8y ago
        Exactly: arbitrary rules backed by a significant advantage in the use of force.
    - drak0n1c 8y ago
      Everyone who was living in the area that considered the land their homeland were welcome to stay, maintain their private property, and join the fledgling nation. Arabs who stayed and abided by the UN agreement were given first-class citizenship and many went on to become leaders, run successful businesses, and even serve as officers in the IDF. Unfortunately, many rejected the UN agreement and even rejected the terms for a second Palestinian state for the alternative of trusting the call of neighboring nations to flee and fight. Unfortunately those neighboring nations ended up reneging on their word after losing the wars that they started and were not so welcoming towards those who fled, setting the stage for the current quagmire. To be fair, the people alive now were not in a decision-making position back during the formation of Israel, but I wanted to bring up the historical context since we're discussing the formation period. More background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel