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Get back to me when IE passes a significant battery of Firefox-submitted tests. W3C is owned by Microsoft at a time when Microsoft has lost all right to call th

by famsam 16y ago

Get back to me when IE passes a significant battery of Firefox-submitted tests. W3C is owned by Microsoft at a time when Microsoft has lost all right to call themselves a browser vendor for any purpose other than to harm the browser market. Get back to me when IE 9 runs on any of the thousands of machines in my company, where Windows Vista/7 is a non-starter at least for the next two years. Get back to me when it is able to run on any machine I have at home. It never will. With the possible exception of Safari, every other browser tested runs everywhere required, I think.

AndrewDucker 16y ago
If Mozilla want to submit tests then there's nothing stopping them doing so.
- famsam 16y ago
  I think they will be served just fine by improving their own compliance where it counts, which as I interpret these and other tests, is already better than IE's. Why go to great lengths to prop up such a sagging organization (w3c, Microsoft, take your pick)? It has never been beneficial in the past to do so. Microsoft has only historically materially supported browser standards at w3c when they were so severely behind they could not use their other monopolistic behaviors to destroy the browser market. w3c has to value the contribution other companies besides Microsoft in their real plans rather than just being Microsoft's rescue vehicle one year and their sword in the backs of the competition the next when they suddenly lose interest in open standards again and shut everything down because w3c thinks if Microsoft no longer thinks it is important no one else should either.
portman 16y ago
> W3C is owned by Microsoft It is?
- famsam 16y ago
  In their behavior with respect to browser (and other standards), yes. Despite the supposed one company one vote model, generally every other company can be moving forward and if Microsoft signals thumbs down, it will come to a grinding halt. If Microsoft stops browser development, the w3c takes that as a sure sign that browsers are no longer important to anyone, which is fine, as long as w3 doesn't value the other memberships. whatwg was taken over by w3c as a desperate move on Microsoft's behalf and immediately put under a Microsoft chair despite their long history, and slowed down by years.
- alexknight 16y ago
  Microsoft has an interest and is a member of the W3C. They do not own them though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3c http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3c

by famsam 16y ago

AndrewDucker 16y ago

If Mozilla want to submit tests then there's nothing stopping them doing so.

famsam 16y ago
I think they will be served just fine by improving their own compliance where it counts, which as I interpret these and other tests, is already better than IE's. Why go to great lengths to prop up such a sagging organization (w3c, Microsoft, take your pick)? It has never been beneficial in the past to do so. Microsoft has only historically materially supported browser standards at w3c when they were so severely behind they could not use their other monopolistic behaviors to destroy the browser market. w3c has to value the contribution other companies besides Microsoft in their real plans rather than just being Microsoft's rescue vehicle one year and their sword in the backs of the competition the next when they suddenly lose interest in open standards again and shut everything down because w3c thinks if Microsoft no longer thinks it is important no one else should either.

portman 16y ago

> W3C is owned by Microsoft It is?

famsam 16y ago
In their behavior with respect to browser (and other standards), yes. Despite the supposed one company one vote model, generally every other company can be moving forward and if Microsoft signals thumbs down, it will come to a grinding halt. If Microsoft stops browser development, the w3c takes that as a sure sign that browsers are no longer important to anyone, which is fine, as long as w3 doesn't value the other memberships. whatwg was taken over by w3c as a desperate move on Microsoft's behalf and immediately put under a Microsoft chair despite their long history, and slowed down by years.
alexknight 16y ago
Microsoft has an interest and is a member of the W3C. They do not own them though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3c http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3c