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WRT point 1 - Wait what? You can work for not-not-evil employers now and all the ethical blame is on the CEO? > Corporation: an ingenious device for obtaining

WRT point 1 - Wait what? You can work for not-not-evil employers now and all the ethical blame is on the CEO? > Corporation: an ingenious device for obtaining profit without individual responsibility - Bierce

jhall1468 8y ago
Bad or good companies are subjective. My family > your ideals. Sorry man, I'm not going to take a pay cut because of your list of companies that are subjectively bad.
- codyb 8y ago
  I hate to godwin this thread, but wasn't half the issue people claimed to have with ex nazis was that they never stood up and stopped following orders? Obviously Googlers are not Nazis. I guess the subjective part ends up being where you draw the line.
  - jhall1468 8y ago
    You aren't the first to do so. That line is an easy one to draw, and the moment you have to bring up Nazi's you're argument doesn't hold water. There's a huge swath of subjectivity between targeted advertising and murdering hundreds of millions of people.
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    - ionised 8y ago
      > and the moment you have to bring up Nazi's you're argument doesn't hold water Not really. You are thoroughly misusing Godwin's law, and Godwin himself stated that he never intended people like yourself to stifle conversation on a subject by chanting his name. Godwin stated that references and comparisons to Hitler or the Nazis are perfectly reasonable in a conversation, as long as the person shows sufficient understanding of history, which the posters you are arguing with seem to have.
- denerio-a 8y ago
  I’m struggling to read your comment as anything but a direct and unapologetic “Fuck you I got mine”. Are my rights as beneath your family as my ideals? And how does the fact that you’re not self employed absolve you of this, exactly?
  - jhall1468 8y ago
    You don't have "the right" to no targeted advertising. You have every right to do whatever you legally can to prevent it from happening. Your rights aren't being violated. If I'm knowingly participating in a violation of your rights, I'm culpable. If I participate, knowingly or otherwise, in something that bothers you, you are exactly right fuck you I got mine. I'm not subject to other peoples belief systems.
    - denerio-a 8y ago
      >I’m not subject to other people’s belief systems You live in a society. Your actions have consequences, and if you can ignore that to get your fat paycheck then I can certainly judge the shit out of you, without a very high chair. The fact that you claim rational discourse has ended when people invoke the lessons of Nuremberg - “because Godwin’s law” - is a stain on, and reflection of your own character. Godwin compares people to Nazis sometime himself you know, when there’s a call for it. When this many people are calling you on it, maybe you should be listening a little better..
      - jhall1468 8y ago
        > You live in a society. Your actions have consequences, and if you can ignore that to get your fat paycheck then I can certainly judge the shit out of you, without a very high chair. My actions don't involve the harm of others, outside of their fragile egos and obsession with what they think should be their rights. I couldn't possibly care less about your judgement. > The fact that you claim rational discourse has ended when people invoke the lessons of Nuremberg - “because Godwin’s law” - is a stain on, and reflection of your own character. The fact that you think an argument about a subject with a variety of opinions deserves comparison to one of the most horrible events in human history is a reflection on your character. > Godwin compares people to Nazis sometime himself you know, when there’s a call for it. When this many people are calling you on it, maybe you should be listening a little better.. It's valid when their behavior is something akin to Nazism. Not very many people are calling me on it... on the contrary, my post is getting upvoted. Because the reality of the situation is, targeted advertising is a topic that needs discussion but it has no place in a comparison with the death of millions of people because of their heritage/religion. It's pathetic hyperbole people use when they can't win an argument on its merits.

jhall1468 8y ago

Bad or good companies are subjective. My family > your ideals. Sorry man, I'm not going to take a pay cut because of your list of companies that are subjectively bad.

codyb 8y ago
I hate to godwin this thread, but wasn't half the issue people claimed to have with ex nazis was that they never stood up and stopped following orders? Obviously Googlers are not Nazis. I guess the subjective part ends up being where you draw the line.
- jhall1468 8y ago
  You aren't the first to do so. That line is an easy one to draw, and the moment you have to bring up Nazi's you're argument doesn't hold water. There's a huge swath of subjectivity between targeted advertising and murdering hundreds of millions of people.
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  - ionised 8y ago
    > and the moment you have to bring up Nazi's you're argument doesn't hold water Not really. You are thoroughly misusing Godwin's law, and Godwin himself stated that he never intended people like yourself to stifle conversation on a subject by chanting his name. Godwin stated that references and comparisons to Hitler or the Nazis are perfectly reasonable in a conversation, as long as the person shows sufficient understanding of history, which the posters you are arguing with seem to have.
denerio-a 8y ago
I’m struggling to read your comment as anything but a direct and unapologetic “Fuck you I got mine”. Are my rights as beneath your family as my ideals? And how does the fact that you’re not self employed absolve you of this, exactly?
- jhall1468 8y ago
  You don't have "the right" to no targeted advertising. You have every right to do whatever you legally can to prevent it from happening. Your rights aren't being violated. If I'm knowingly participating in a violation of your rights, I'm culpable. If I participate, knowingly or otherwise, in something that bothers you, you are exactly right fuck you I got mine. I'm not subject to other peoples belief systems.
  - denerio-a 8y ago
    >I’m not subject to other people’s belief systems You live in a society. Your actions have consequences, and if you can ignore that to get your fat paycheck then I can certainly judge the shit out of you, without a very high chair. The fact that you claim rational discourse has ended when people invoke the lessons of Nuremberg - “because Godwin’s law” - is a stain on, and reflection of your own character. Godwin compares people to Nazis sometime himself you know, when there’s a call for it. When this many people are calling you on it, maybe you should be listening a little better..
    - jhall1468 8y ago
      > You live in a society. Your actions have consequences, and if you can ignore that to get your fat paycheck then I can certainly judge the shit out of you, without a very high chair. My actions don't involve the harm of others, outside of their fragile egos and obsession with what they think should be their rights. I couldn't possibly care less about your judgement. > The fact that you claim rational discourse has ended when people invoke the lessons of Nuremberg - “because Godwin’s law” - is a stain on, and reflection of your own character. The fact that you think an argument about a subject with a variety of opinions deserves comparison to one of the most horrible events in human history is a reflection on your character. > Godwin compares people to Nazis sometime himself you know, when there’s a call for it. When this many people are calling you on it, maybe you should be listening a little better.. It's valid when their behavior is something akin to Nazism. Not very many people are calling me on it... on the contrary, my post is getting upvoted. Because the reality of the situation is, targeted advertising is a topic that needs discussion but it has no place in a comparison with the death of millions of people because of their heritage/religion. It's pathetic hyperbole people use when they can't win an argument on its merits.