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People who spy on their own countrymen should be regarded as traitors, in my opinion. And they should be prosecuted as traitors, and punished as traitors. Howev

People who spy on their own countrymen should be regarded as traitors, in my opinion. And they should be prosecuted as traitors, and punished as traitors. However, the theory of the "Deep State" and its influences makes it difficult to accomplish this. How can we fix this?

mycall 8y ago
Create a culture that is opposed to it. Films, TV, Advertising, Sports, Billboards.. when neighbors are expected to spy on each other then the fabric of society breaks down.
- mLuby 8y ago
  Culture is opposed to it. Hollywood movies and TV shows generally portray mass surveillance as a tool of oppression or as a last resort (The Dark Knight).
  - nickpsecurity 8y ago
    I see the opposite: all the cop and terrorist shows have them stopping lots of big threats through their databases and/or ignoring the law (eg illegal searches). That's most of them my friends and family watch. You don't see a lot of them where they're constantly talking about how some terrorist is an incompetent idiot, the bosses want terrorist arrests in the paper, they need to motivate them to confess on video for an arrest, maybe supply them some weapons/training, and some guy gets paid $100,000 to do that. And then they do that a bunch more times hyping up the threat. Or just police work respecting Constitutional rights catching bad folks since most are sloppy with fictional Congress, cops and courts shooting down things like Patriot Act. Nah, it's stuff that reinforces what the government is doing or shows problems that wouldn't lead to rebellion. Pretty consistently. Especially the one or two episodes of Person of Interest I saw.
chasil 8y ago
There is a very specific constitutional definition of treason. Another class of crime should likely be used. Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
- acct1771 8y ago
  Regarded as traitor doesn't mean we can indict as a traitor.
coretx 8y ago
You can't fix this because of your government not only applying your own countrymen to spy on each other; it also applies foreign powers to do the same. Example: Some weeks ago the United States decided to sell out the fingerprints of 210 Million American citizens with the Netherlands, a tiny nation with aprox 20mil inhabitants and a insanely bad track record when it comes to infosec. This dot on the map is now enabled to unlock millions of phones, empty bank accounts, create compromat and so much more.. . Edit: The only source I have is in dutch: https://www.trouw.nl/home/nederlandse-vingerafdrukken-worden-nu-ook-gedeeld-met-de-vs~ad4cf7fe/ https://www.trouw.nl/home/nederlandse-vingerafdrukken-worden...

mycall 8y ago

Create a culture that is opposed to it. Films, TV, Advertising, Sports, Billboards.. when neighbors are expected to spy on each other then the fabric of society breaks down.

mLuby 8y ago
Culture is opposed to it. Hollywood movies and TV shows generally portray mass surveillance as a tool of oppression or as a last resort (The Dark Knight).
- nickpsecurity 8y ago
  I see the opposite: all the cop and terrorist shows have them stopping lots of big threats through their databases and/or ignoring the law (eg illegal searches). That's most of them my friends and family watch. You don't see a lot of them where they're constantly talking about how some terrorist is an incompetent idiot, the bosses want terrorist arrests in the paper, they need to motivate them to confess on video for an arrest, maybe supply them some weapons/training, and some guy gets paid $100,000 to do that. And then they do that a bunch more times hyping up the threat. Or just police work respecting Constitutional rights catching bad folks since most are sloppy with fictional Congress, cops and courts shooting down things like Patriot Act. Nah, it's stuff that reinforces what the government is doing or shows problems that wouldn't lead to rebellion. Pretty consistently. Especially the one or two episodes of Person of Interest I saw.

chasil 8y ago

There is a very specific constitutional definition of treason. Another class of crime should likely be used. Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

acct1771 8y ago
Regarded as traitor doesn't mean we can indict as a traitor.

coretx 8y ago

You can't fix this because of your government not only applying your own countrymen to spy on each other; it also applies foreign powers to do the same. Example: Some weeks ago the United States decided to sell out the fingerprints of 210 Million American citizens with the Netherlands, a tiny nation with aprox 20mil inhabitants and a insanely bad track record when it comes to infosec. This dot on the map is now enabled to unlock millions of phones, empty bank accounts, create compromat and so much more.. . Edit: The only source I have is in dutch: https://www.trouw.nl/home/nederlandse-vingerafdrukken-worden-nu-ook-gedeeld-met-de-vs~ad4cf7fe/ https://www.trouw.nl/home/nederlandse-vingerafdrukken-worden...