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Live in Europe

nopinsight 8y ago
This assumes that the pension system there will be able to sustain itself in a few decades hence despite low birth rates and limited immigration. Also, most people in developing countries, i.e. most people in the world, do not have that option.
- SpanishConf 8y ago
  > This assumes that the pension system there will be able to sustain itself in a few decades hence despite low birth rates and limited immigration. Indeed, the system is not perfect and the general outlook of it is pretty bad. But you still have a higher chance of getting a pension at 65 in Europe than in the US while being mediocre. Also don't forget automation, which I'd assume will trickle down to benefit the lower and middle European Class faster than it'll happen in the US. Again, assumptions. The future is unsure for sure. >Also, most people in developing countries, i.e. most people in the world, do not have that option. Indeed. But most people on HN are usually from North America or WE, so you know... saying that is a bit disingenuous. You could say "most people are _dirt_ (emphasis on dirt) poor and cannot lift themselves out of poverty". Yes, most people in the world are like that, but we all know that for example this article is not directed at those sorts of people, but rather at "Westeners", who probably won't go hungry in their lives ever unless a major catastrophe happens.
  - nopinsight 8y ago
    There is a huge number of people in the world outside of the West who are between "dirt-poor" and having European-style pension. They do read such self-help articles.
- csomar 8y ago
  Yes. Many people cites Europe/France as a good example of retirement/healthcare and forget that the pension system is a Scam. They are basically paying current retirees with what the current employees are paying. A state-lead Ponzi Scheme. The system will eventually implode.
  - yesenadam 8y ago
    So which countries would you 'cite as a good example of retirement/healthcare'?
    - SpanishConf 8y ago
      France, Germany, Spain, etc... Are they perfect? No, though.
  - Double_a_92 8y ago
    As long as you have many young people and few old, that's a good system. Basically "taking care of your parents" but through the state in a collective manner.
    - nopinsight 8y ago
      Few developed countries--the US and Australia are the only exceptions I can think of--have that population structure.

Live in Europe

This assumes that the pension system there will be able to sustain itself in a few decades hence despite low birth rates and limited immigration. Also, most people in developing countries, i.e. most people in the world, do not have that option.

SpanishConf 8y ago
> This assumes that the pension system there will be able to sustain itself in a few decades hence despite low birth rates and limited immigration. Indeed, the system is not perfect and the general outlook of it is pretty bad. But you still have a higher chance of getting a pension at 65 in Europe than in the US while being mediocre. Also don't forget automation, which I'd assume will trickle down to benefit the lower and middle European Class faster than it'll happen in the US. Again, assumptions. The future is unsure for sure. >Also, most people in developing countries, i.e. most people in the world, do not have that option. Indeed. But most people on HN are usually from North America or WE, so you know... saying that is a bit disingenuous. You could say "most people are _dirt_ (emphasis on dirt) poor and cannot lift themselves out of poverty". Yes, most people in the world are like that, but we all know that for example this article is not directed at those sorts of people, but rather at "Westeners", who probably won't go hungry in their lives ever unless a major catastrophe happens.
- nopinsight 8y ago
  There is a huge number of people in the world outside of the West who are between "dirt-poor" and having European-style pension. They do read such self-help articles.
csomar 8y ago
Yes. Many people cites Europe/France as a good example of retirement/healthcare and forget that the pension system is a Scam. They are basically paying current retirees with what the current employees are paying. A state-lead Ponzi Scheme. The system will eventually implode.
- yesenadam 8y ago
  So which countries would you 'cite as a good example of retirement/healthcare'?
  - SpanishConf 8y ago
    France, Germany, Spain, etc... Are they perfect? No, though.
- Double_a_92 8y ago
  As long as you have many young people and few old, that's a good system. Basically "taking care of your parents" but through the state in a collective manner.
  - nopinsight 8y ago
    Few developed countries--the US and Australia are the only exceptions I can think of--have that population structure.