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dog it’s a PHP shop, nobody re-uses code

jjeaff 8y ago
PHP's Packagist disagrees with over 1.4m packages and around a half billion package downloads a month. (More than NPM FYI) https://packagist.org/statistics https://packagist.org/statistics
- sah2ed 8y ago
  > (More than NPM FYI) I found your claim hard to believe so I went digging but couldn't find any recent resource on the total number of downloads npmjs.org handles per month. I could have sworn they used to publish aggregate stats prominently on their home page somewhere ... but can't seem to find it. Anyway, aggregating* the download numbers of just 12 of the top npm packages comes to about ~504.4m, or half a billion package downloads a month. *: using September 2018 numbers. 1: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=express https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=express - 21m/mo 2: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=body-parser https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=body-parser - 24.4m/mo 3: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=lodash https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=lodash - 64m/mo 4: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=async https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=async - 64.7m/mo 5: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=debug https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=debug - 87.6m/mo 6: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=request https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=request - 50.8m/mo 7: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=chalk https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=chalk - 64m/mo 8: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=commander https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=commander - 61.8m/mo 9: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=underscore https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=underscore - 21.5m/mo 10: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=babel-core https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=babel-core - 17.8m/mo 11: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=webpack https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=webpack - 16m/mo 12: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=react https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=react - 10.8m/mo
  - PunchTornado 8y ago
    it cannot be more than npm. npm is basically 1 line of code = 1 package
    - osrec 8y ago
      lol, made me chuckle!
    - Bluestrike2 8y ago
      Don't forget the dependencies :).
  - jjeaff 8y ago
    I was referring to the number of packages available as being more. It wouldn't be very useful to compare number of downloads since php does need an entire package to do things easily like check if something is an array.
woadwarrior01 8y ago
Facebook recently became the principal sponsor of the Python Software Foundation[1]. Although I don't have any concrete numbers to cite, there's a lot of Python code at Facebook. Calling it a PHP shop would be highly inaccurate and myopic. [1]: https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ Disclaimer: I work there on python runtime optimization, which mostly involves writing C (and C++) code. Also, I've never had to write any PHP/Hack code.
- illiac_1962 8y ago
  So are they just going to keep rewriting shoddy dynamic language run-times for every project? There are real cross-platform programming languages available with highly optimized run-times and tons of scalability features--just saying.

PHP's Packagist disagrees with over 1.4m packages and around a half billion package downloads a month. (More than NPM FYI) https://packagist.org/statistics https://packagist.org/statistics

sah2ed 8y ago
> (More than NPM FYI) I found your claim hard to believe so I went digging but couldn't find any recent resource on the total number of downloads npmjs.org handles per month. I could have sworn they used to publish aggregate stats prominently on their home page somewhere ... but can't seem to find it. Anyway, aggregating* the download numbers of just 12 of the top npm packages comes to about ~504.4m, or half a billion package downloads a month. *: using September 2018 numbers. 1: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=express https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=express - 21m/mo 2: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=body-parser https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=body-parser - 24.4m/mo 3: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=lodash https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=lodash - 64m/mo 4: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=async https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=async - 64.7m/mo 5: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=debug https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=debug - 87.6m/mo 6: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=request https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=request - 50.8m/mo 7: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=chalk https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=chalk - 64m/mo 8: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=commander https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=commander - 61.8m/mo 9: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=underscore https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=underscore - 21.5m/mo 10: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=babel-core https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=babel-core - 17.8m/mo 11: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=webpack https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=webpack - 16m/mo 12: https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=react https://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=react - 10.8m/mo
- PunchTornado 8y ago
  it cannot be more than npm. npm is basically 1 line of code = 1 package
  - osrec 8y ago
    lol, made me chuckle!
  - Bluestrike2 8y ago
    Don't forget the dependencies :).
- jjeaff 8y ago
  I was referring to the number of packages available as being more. It wouldn't be very useful to compare number of downloads since php does need an entire package to do things easily like check if something is an array.

woadwarrior01 8y ago

Facebook recently became the principal sponsor of the Python Software Foundation[1]. Although I don't have any concrete numbers to cite, there's a lot of Python code at Facebook. Calling it a PHP shop would be highly inaccurate and myopic. [1]: https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/ Disclaimer: I work there on python runtime optimization, which mostly involves writing C (and C++) code. Also, I've never had to write any PHP/Hack code.

illiac_1962 8y ago
So are they just going to keep rewriting shoddy dynamic language run-times for every project? There are real cross-platform programming languages available with highly optimized run-times and tons of scalability features--just saying.