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DuckDuckGo is mostly a skin on Bing search results. By using it, you're saying you trust Microsoft more than Google. If that's your intent, cool, but you're not

by bla2 8y ago

DuckDuckGo is mostly a skin on Bing search results. By using it, you're saying you trust Microsoft more than Google. If that's your intent, cool, but you're not really getting away from the big tech companies by doing this.

stephengillie 8y ago
Where is the open source internet search platform?
- antidesitter 8y ago
  There’s an open source P2P-based distributed search engine called YaCy.
- clear_dg 8y ago
  Check searx https://asciimoo.github.io/searx/ https://asciimoo.github.io/searx/
antidesitter 8y ago
Does using DDG give Microsoft your personally-identifiable data?
- economistrator 8y ago
  To be clear, it does not.
mattpavelle 8y ago
I thought they just partner with Bing for ad results - not that their search was a skin of Bing. Wikipedia supports the ad partnership but also doesn't say anything about Bing being responsible for their search results. And on the few tests I've just done searching both, I see similar but not exact results. Do you have a source for this claim?
- bla2 8y ago
  See my reply to NeedMoreTea.
- ensignavenger 8y ago
  Duck Duck Go uses search result API's from various venders, including Bing- that is mentioned in the history section of the Wikipedia article. (Originally they used Yahoo's search API, and Yahoo of course changed to using results from Bing). They also have their own web crawler.
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NeedMoreTea 8y ago
DDG claim otherwise https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Oath (formerly Yahoo) and Bing.
- bla2 8y ago
  That links "more than 400 sources" to https://duck.co/ia https://duck.co/ia which in turn links to https://docs.duckduckhack.com/#improve-a-live-instant-answer https://docs.duckduckhack.com/#improve-a-live-instant-answer saying "DuckDuckHack is in Maintenance Mode". But https://docs.duckduckhack.com/welcome/how-ias-work.html https://docs.duckduckhack.com/welcome/how-ias-work.html suggests that these sources are for things displayed at the top, which I see super rarely. Yahoo gets their search results from bing, so that's the same thing. So this supports my claim.
  - cpeterso 8y ago
    DDG also uses Yandex and Baidu search results in relevant regions: https://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/09/26/dolphin-browser-goes-local-partnering-with-baidu-yandex-yahoo-japan-and-duckduckgo/ https://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/09/26/dolphin-browser-goes-...
solarkraft 8y ago
> By using it, you're saying you trust Microsoft more than Google I do. They make inferior software imo, but seem a lot less suspicious.
- s3r3nity 8y ago
  Depends upon the software - you can pry Excel from my cold dead hands. G Suite has definitely come a long way, but the Office suite of apps are absolutely the gold standard.
gpm 8y ago
Hardly. DuckDuckGo claims not to share my information or searches with Microsoft. I trust DuckDuckGo (not Microsoft) to keep their word. The fact that DDG sources information about the internet from Microsoft is unimportant. I'm concerned about my personal information, not large scale manipulation of search results.
- BeetleB 8y ago
  In that case you could use http://www.startpage.com http://www.startpage.com - it's a wrapper around Google, and your information isn't shared with them.
  - keb_ 8y ago
    I would use this if it weren't so darn slow. I've tried searx instances as well, but couldn't find one that functioned consistent to my liking.
    - user812 8y ago
      Recently I deactivated Javascript on Startpage (with uBO) and surprisingly it suddenly loads fast. Believe it or not they are injecting all kinds of ad related JS. I am even questioning their sincerity, since the page is badly optimized for usage.
- bla3 8y ago
  Meh, if DDG takes off MS will likely either cut them off or charge, leading to DDG needing to run their own search. If they can do that is unproven, and if running a web-wide search engine with DDG's business model is profitable is unproven too. I agree it's irrelevant to users medium-term, but if you're happy with DDG you kind of have to hope they don't become too successful.
  - ensignavenger 8y ago
    I'm pretty sure DDG is already paying them. Maybe they'll raise their rates, but DDG has other sources and has their own crawler, too, so I think they will do just fine.

by bla2 8y ago

stephengillie 8y ago

Where is the open source internet search platform?

antidesitter 8y ago
There’s an open source P2P-based distributed search engine called YaCy.
clear_dg 8y ago
Check searx https://asciimoo.github.io/searx/ https://asciimoo.github.io/searx/

antidesitter 8y ago

Does using DDG give Microsoft your personally-identifiable data?

economistrator 8y ago
To be clear, it does not.

mattpavelle 8y ago

I thought they just partner with Bing for ad results - not that their search was a skin of Bing. Wikipedia supports the ad partnership but also doesn't say anything about Bing being responsible for their search results. And on the few tests I've just done searching both, I see similar but not exact results. Do you have a source for this claim?

bla2 8y ago
See my reply to NeedMoreTea.
ensignavenger 8y ago
Duck Duck Go uses search result API's from various venders, including Bing- that is mentioned in the history section of the Wikipedia article. (Originally they used Yahoo's search API, and Yahoo of course changed to using results from Bing). They also have their own web crawler.

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NeedMoreTea 8y ago

DDG claim otherwise https://duck.co/help/results/sources https://duck.co/help/results/sources DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from a variety of partners, including Oath (formerly Yahoo) and Bing.

bla2 8y ago
That links "more than 400 sources" to https://duck.co/ia https://duck.co/ia which in turn links to https://docs.duckduckhack.com/#improve-a-live-instant-answer https://docs.duckduckhack.com/#improve-a-live-instant-answer saying "DuckDuckHack is in Maintenance Mode". But https://docs.duckduckhack.com/welcome/how-ias-work.html https://docs.duckduckhack.com/welcome/how-ias-work.html suggests that these sources are for things displayed at the top, which I see super rarely. Yahoo gets their search results from bing, so that's the same thing. So this supports my claim.
- cpeterso 8y ago
  DDG also uses Yandex and Baidu search results in relevant regions: https://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/09/26/dolphin-browser-goes-local-partnering-with-baidu-yandex-yahoo-japan-and-duckduckgo/ https://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/09/26/dolphin-browser-goes-...

solarkraft 8y ago

> By using it, you're saying you trust Microsoft more than Google I do. They make inferior software imo, but seem a lot less suspicious.

s3r3nity 8y ago
Depends upon the software - you can pry Excel from my cold dead hands. G Suite has definitely come a long way, but the Office suite of apps are absolutely the gold standard.

gpm 8y ago

Hardly. DuckDuckGo claims not to share my information or searches with Microsoft. I trust DuckDuckGo (not Microsoft) to keep their word. The fact that DDG sources information about the internet from Microsoft is unimportant. I'm concerned about my personal information, not large scale manipulation of search results.

BeetleB 8y ago
In that case you could use http://www.startpage.com http://www.startpage.com - it's a wrapper around Google, and your information isn't shared with them.
- keb_ 8y ago
  I would use this if it weren't so darn slow. I've tried searx instances as well, but couldn't find one that functioned consistent to my liking.
  - user812 8y ago
    Recently I deactivated Javascript on Startpage (with uBO) and surprisingly it suddenly loads fast. Believe it or not they are injecting all kinds of ad related JS. I am even questioning their sincerity, since the page is badly optimized for usage.
bla3 8y ago
Meh, if DDG takes off MS will likely either cut them off or charge, leading to DDG needing to run their own search. If they can do that is unproven, and if running a web-wide search engine with DDG's business model is profitable is unproven too. I agree it's irrelevant to users medium-term, but if you're happy with DDG you kind of have to hope they don't become too successful.
- ensignavenger 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure DDG is already paying them. Maybe they'll raise their rates, but DDG has other sources and has their own crawler, too, so I think they will do just fine.