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Why does everyone on here always just call out Fox? Are you not aware that CNN, MSNBC and others do this same thing?

josefresco 8y ago
Fox News is in no way "the same" as CNN/MSNBC. It's straight up GOP/conservative propaganda that in some cases dictates official policy.
- nil_pointer 8y ago
  "My news source tells the truth, yours is propaganda". Try to not be so partisan. They both push propaganda.
  - calgoo 8y ago
    While they both push BS, if you compare them to the rest of the worlds news sources you will see that most news align with CNN/MSNBC. Or let me put this way: The rest of the (educated) world laugh at the people that watch Fox News.
    - vuln 8y ago
      It's sad that the 'educated' laugh. You'd think with all their wisdom they would be able to reach out and save the feable minded. Instead they just laugh from the ivory tower. It's a sad world we live in. Even sadder that it's widely accepted as okay, even lauded.
      - fzeroracer 8y ago
        The problem is that you can't save those that don't want to be saved, especially when there's an entire business and market pandering specifically to them. If you've ever had family or friends that delve deep into conspiracies, there's no amount of rational argument, logic, data or facts you can bring up that help them.
  - cycrutchfield 8y ago
    "Both sides are the same" false equivalencies are the argument of the intellectually lazy.
    - josefresco 8y ago
      It's also a sign of of a "bad faith" argument typical with conservative trolling. None of these trolls will point to actual news reporting, they simply highlight editorial CNN/MSNBC content, completely ignoring actual, real news like convictions and guilty pleas. The news to conservatives seems biased, but only because conservatives are breaking so many laws, and conventions.
- oh_sigh 8y ago
  Have you read CNN in the past 2 years? They are blatantly anti-trump and frequently push their 'analysis'(ie opinion) section as the top-billed story on their homepage. The actual news and journalism that fox news and CNN puts out is fine. The opinion/analysis sections of both sites are heavily partisan in one way or the other though.
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    Both of those entities are news stations that own a website, not websites that run a TV station. The website is 10% of the picture. More importantly.. check the results. A majority of Fox News viewers believe things like Obama was born in Kenya, or Saddam Hussein really had WMD, despite these being obviously false. Multiple studies by different organizations have indicated that Fox News viewers are less informed than no news viewers on any political topic involving 'alternative facts'. The proof is in the pudding.
    - oh_sigh 8y ago
      Are the 'fox news viewers' there for the journalists, or there for O'Reilly, Hannity, etc - which is exactly what I was talking about. And you're taking a correlation and trying to say there is causation, which is invalid.
      - yourbandsucks 8y ago
        You're right, I was making a hard assumption that people's news sources inform their views on facts that are in the news. I suppose it's also possible that the viewers have already decided they'd prefer to believe lies, and choose their news source accordingly. Doesn't exactly acquit the news station.
        oh_sigh 8y ago
        The assumption was that 'fox news' viewers view fox news for the news, and not for the opinion section, which is what I referenced in my first post in this thread. If Fox News news and CNN news are equally as informative, and Fox News opinion and CNN opinion are equally as un or anti-informative, it is still possible for Fox News viewers to be less informed than CNN viewers, if say 80% of Fox News audience tunes in for opinion section, vs only 50% of CNN audience tuning in for the opinion section.
tabtab 8y ago
CNN is quite centrist, actually. They just happened to discover being tough on the Orange Person gave them Yuuuuge ratings.
ucaetano 8y ago
Because Fox is the one speaking in their favor? Or you didn't understand GP's argument?

Fox News is in no way "the same" as CNN/MSNBC. It's straight up GOP/conservative propaganda that in some cases dictates official policy.

nil_pointer 8y ago
"My news source tells the truth, yours is propaganda". Try to not be so partisan. They both push propaganda.
- calgoo 8y ago
  While they both push BS, if you compare them to the rest of the worlds news sources you will see that most news align with CNN/MSNBC. Or let me put this way: The rest of the (educated) world laugh at the people that watch Fox News.
  - vuln 8y ago
    It's sad that the 'educated' laugh. You'd think with all their wisdom they would be able to reach out and save the feable minded. Instead they just laugh from the ivory tower. It's a sad world we live in. Even sadder that it's widely accepted as okay, even lauded.
    - fzeroracer 8y ago
      The problem is that you can't save those that don't want to be saved, especially when there's an entire business and market pandering specifically to them. If you've ever had family or friends that delve deep into conspiracies, there's no amount of rational argument, logic, data or facts you can bring up that help them.
- cycrutchfield 8y ago
  "Both sides are the same" false equivalencies are the argument of the intellectually lazy.
  - josefresco 8y ago
    It's also a sign of of a "bad faith" argument typical with conservative trolling. None of these trolls will point to actual news reporting, they simply highlight editorial CNN/MSNBC content, completely ignoring actual, real news like convictions and guilty pleas. The news to conservatives seems biased, but only because conservatives are breaking so many laws, and conventions.
oh_sigh 8y ago
Have you read CNN in the past 2 years? They are blatantly anti-trump and frequently push their 'analysis'(ie opinion) section as the top-billed story on their homepage. The actual news and journalism that fox news and CNN puts out is fine. The opinion/analysis sections of both sites are heavily partisan in one way or the other though.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  Both of those entities are news stations that own a website, not websites that run a TV station. The website is 10% of the picture. More importantly.. check the results. A majority of Fox News viewers believe things like Obama was born in Kenya, or Saddam Hussein really had WMD, despite these being obviously false. Multiple studies by different organizations have indicated that Fox News viewers are less informed than no news viewers on any political topic involving 'alternative facts'. The proof is in the pudding.
  - oh_sigh 8y ago
    Are the 'fox news viewers' there for the journalists, or there for O'Reilly, Hannity, etc - which is exactly what I was talking about. And you're taking a correlation and trying to say there is causation, which is invalid.
    - yourbandsucks 8y ago
      You're right, I was making a hard assumption that people's news sources inform their views on facts that are in the news. I suppose it's also possible that the viewers have already decided they'd prefer to believe lies, and choose their news source accordingly. Doesn't exactly acquit the news station.
      - oh_sigh 8y ago
        The assumption was that 'fox news' viewers view fox news for the news, and not for the opinion section, which is what I referenced in my first post in this thread. If Fox News news and CNN news are equally as informative, and Fox News opinion and CNN opinion are equally as un or anti-informative, it is still possible for Fox News viewers to be less informed than CNN viewers, if say 80% of Fox News audience tunes in for opinion section, vs only 50% of CNN audience tuning in for the opinion section.

tabtab 8y ago

CNN is quite centrist, actually. They just happened to discover being tough on the Orange Person gave them Yuuuuge ratings.

ucaetano 8y ago

Because Fox is the one speaking in their favor? Or you didn't understand GP's argument?