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i must admit that i'm not a big fan of nimble (nim's package manager; for a few reasons) but on the other site you have apt, pacman, yum, whatelsenot, afaik mos

i must admit that i'm not a big fan of nimble (nim's package manager; for a few reasons) but on the other site you have apt, pacman, yum, whatelsenot, afaik most of them are not even able to install two versions of the same library side by side. The situation is so bad that most applications these days are packed with `flatpack` or something else, because of the so broken linux package management... In contrast to eg. npm nimble is superfast.

eeZah7Ux 8y ago
> most of them are not even able to install two versions of the same library That's entirely by design. Distributions exist to provide a set of packages that are well tested, and work reliably, together. And then guarantee that such set will stay the same and receive timely security updates for 3 or 5 or more years so that people can reliably use it in production.
- enthus1ast 8y ago
  and in the real world you do configure; make install then ;) edit: or docker every one i've met so far, uses docker as a kind of "package manager". Database? Oh year use this docker image, elastic search & kibana? shure docker. What they actualy want most of the time is: an easy way to install this stacks, in an non ancient version, where i can actually use the stuff i need to use.
  - Annatar 8y ago
    "and in the real world you do configure; make install then" In the real world, one gets an existing RPM .spec file, edits it for the required source one is about to build, and then runs: rpmbuild --clean -ba software.spec once one has RPM's there is no need for Docker, as multiple applications can be cleanly installed, upgraded or removed on the system, and the entire system can be automatically PXE booted and provisioned by Kickstart without a single line of glue code. Say no to hacking with Docker and make install instead of formal system engineering.
Annatar 8y ago
A shared object library is supposed to use linker map files during her creation to declare interface versions, so that the run time linker can request and obtain the correct version of the interface. Like all the traditional UNIX operating environments solved it: no need for multiple versions, one library contains all versions and the run time linker maps in the requested code. See how illumos does it. Search for linker map files.
- enthus1ast 8y ago
  i will thank you

eeZah7Ux 8y ago

> most of them are not even able to install two versions of the same library That's entirely by design. Distributions exist to provide a set of packages that are well tested, and work reliably, together. And then guarantee that such set will stay the same and receive timely security updates for 3 or 5 or more years so that people can reliably use it in production.

enthus1ast 8y ago
and in the real world you do configure; make install then ;) edit: or docker every one i've met so far, uses docker as a kind of "package manager". Database? Oh year use this docker image, elastic search & kibana? shure docker. What they actualy want most of the time is: an easy way to install this stacks, in an non ancient version, where i can actually use the stuff i need to use.
- Annatar 8y ago
  "and in the real world you do configure; make install then" In the real world, one gets an existing RPM .spec file, edits it for the required source one is about to build, and then runs: rpmbuild --clean -ba software.spec once one has RPM's there is no need for Docker, as multiple applications can be cleanly installed, upgraded or removed on the system, and the entire system can be automatically PXE booted and provisioned by Kickstart without a single line of glue code. Say no to hacking with Docker and make install instead of formal system engineering.

Annatar 8y ago

A shared object library is supposed to use linker map files during her creation to declare interface versions, so that the run time linker can request and obtain the correct version of the interface. Like all the traditional UNIX operating environments solved it: no need for multiple versions, one library contains all versions and the run time linker maps in the requested code. See how illumos does it. Search for linker map files.

enthus1ast 8y ago
i will thank you