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They don't have to. The singular monotone reaction from the top echelon is message enough. I'm no fan of Trump or his policies, but neither am I a fan of an env

They don't have to. The singular monotone reaction from the top echelon is message enough. I'm no fan of Trump or his policies, but neither am I a fan of an environment where it is assumed we all have the same political views. For a company of over 100k employees, an event like that can't be seen as inclusive.

komali2 8y ago
CEOs can have political opinions. A couple conservative googlers have tried the "we don't feel welcome" here angle, one famously by posting a sexist rant that got him fired. So far for the other ones, seems like they're still happily collecting their paycheck. What's Google supposed to do, force its liberal employees to invite the conservative ones to their un-google-affiliated rock climbing night? The company itself is operating well within the law.
- remarkEon 8y ago
  >one famously by posting a sexist rant that got him fired. Did you even read what Damore wrote? It is neither sexist nor a rant.
  - komali2 8y ago
    It certainly wasn't scientific, so it's hard to argue it was some sort of decrying of the fall of rationality. He had a singular reason to write it, I argue a sexist one. Seeing as he didn't have science to back up his claims.
    - remarkEon 8y ago
      This is just another mischaracterization. >He had a singular reason to write it, I argue a sexist one. He specifically stated his objective was to help Google with its own diversity and gender equality goals. >Seeing as he didn't have science to back up his claims. https://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/ https://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists... I find it increasingly fascinating that in the response to Damore's memo people continually provide evidence that this echo chamber does indeed exist, and that people actually are reading different things from the same text.
- quanticle 8y ago
  >CEOs can have political opinions. Can they? As I recall, many were arguing the exact opposite when Brendan Eich decided to voice some political opinions during the 2014 elections. Or is it just that CEOs can have political opinions only when they happen to agree with yours?
  - refurb 8y ago
    You don’t understand. CEOs are allowed to have political opinions as long as they are the right political opinions. Everything else is hate and shouldn’t be allowed.
    - komali2 8y ago
      Saying gay people shouldn't get married isn't a political opinion, it is you said it first, just hating arbitrarily a randomly assigned group of people. Are you suggesting it's the same ballpark as saying "I don't like the current elected official?"
      - refurb 8y ago
        And people wonder why politics is so divisive now. It’s not longer about disagreeing with someone, it’s about painting them as immoral and not worth engaging. Have concerns about immigration levels? You hate immigrants and that’s wrong. Worried about crime? You hate minorities and that’s wrong. Worried about government spending on welfare? You hate the poor and that’s wrong.
  - komali2 8y ago
    Wait, do you mean when he supported banning gay marriage? Outside of that, I'm not aware of any controversies around him. Arguing some humans should have less rights than others is imo not a political opinion.
    - quanticle 8y ago
      It's not? Where do you think rights come from? The question of who has rights to do what is the central question of politics. Pretending that questions of rights are not questions of politics is a sleight-of-hand move that is designed to put your opponents on the defensive and reverse the burden of proof.
ubernostrum 8y ago
I probably wouldn't feel welcome at Fox News. Can I force them to become more liberal in the name of "diversity of thought"? Or does that meme only work when it's trying to promote people on the right?
- humanrebar 8y ago
  One can think that Google has a right to a viewpoint and also point out that the viewpoint isn't objective.
- refurb 8y ago
  Google can do whatever they want as long as they are honest about it. If they want to call themselves “The progressive search engine” then at least they are being upfront about it.

komali2 8y ago

CEOs can have political opinions. A couple conservative googlers have tried the "we don't feel welcome" here angle, one famously by posting a sexist rant that got him fired. So far for the other ones, seems like they're still happily collecting their paycheck. What's Google supposed to do, force its liberal employees to invite the conservative ones to their un-google-affiliated rock climbing night? The company itself is operating well within the law.

remarkEon 8y ago
>one famously by posting a sexist rant that got him fired. Did you even read what Damore wrote? It is neither sexist nor a rant.
- komali2 8y ago
  It certainly wasn't scientific, so it's hard to argue it was some sort of decrying of the fall of rationality. He had a singular reason to write it, I argue a sexist one. Seeing as he didn't have science to back up his claims.
  - remarkEon 8y ago
    This is just another mischaracterization. >He had a singular reason to write it, I argue a sexist one. He specifically stated his objective was to help Google with its own diversity and gender equality goals. >Seeing as he didn't have science to back up his claims. https://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/ https://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists... I find it increasingly fascinating that in the response to Damore's memo people continually provide evidence that this echo chamber does indeed exist, and that people actually are reading different things from the same text.
quanticle 8y ago
>CEOs can have political opinions. Can they? As I recall, many were arguing the exact opposite when Brendan Eich decided to voice some political opinions during the 2014 elections. Or is it just that CEOs can have political opinions only when they happen to agree with yours?
- refurb 8y ago
  You don’t understand. CEOs are allowed to have political opinions as long as they are the right political opinions. Everything else is hate and shouldn’t be allowed.
  - komali2 8y ago
    Saying gay people shouldn't get married isn't a political opinion, it is you said it first, just hating arbitrarily a randomly assigned group of people. Are you suggesting it's the same ballpark as saying "I don't like the current elected official?"
    - refurb 8y ago
      And people wonder why politics is so divisive now. It’s not longer about disagreeing with someone, it’s about painting them as immoral and not worth engaging. Have concerns about immigration levels? You hate immigrants and that’s wrong. Worried about crime? You hate minorities and that’s wrong. Worried about government spending on welfare? You hate the poor and that’s wrong.
- komali2 8y ago
  Wait, do you mean when he supported banning gay marriage? Outside of that, I'm not aware of any controversies around him. Arguing some humans should have less rights than others is imo not a political opinion.
  - quanticle 8y ago
    It's not? Where do you think rights come from? The question of who has rights to do what is the central question of politics. Pretending that questions of rights are not questions of politics is a sleight-of-hand move that is designed to put your opponents on the defensive and reverse the burden of proof.

ubernostrum 8y ago

I probably wouldn't feel welcome at Fox News. Can I force them to become more liberal in the name of "diversity of thought"? Or does that meme only work when it's trying to promote people on the right?

humanrebar 8y ago
One can think that Google has a right to a viewpoint and also point out that the viewpoint isn't objective.
refurb 8y ago
Google can do whatever they want as long as they are honest about it. If they want to call themselves “The progressive search engine” then at least they are being upfront about it.