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ok, so... no data then, just a series of quotes and observations about individuals. I'd honestly be interested in learning about racism in Japan, and if it is

by sofon 8y ago

ok, so... no data then, just a series of quotes and observations about individuals. I'd honestly be interested in learning about racism in Japan, and if it is different/worse than other countries. But all that's been presented is anecdotes.

jimmywanger 8y ago
I cited wikipedia and a UN observer. What else do you want as data? Survey data? Who would answer a survey asking if you were racist, specifically if you're racist towards certain ethnic groups? What are you realistically asking for that will change your mind?
- sofon 8y ago
  Yes, survey data. And to be clear, the world value survey has asked questions covering racism. In particular: "Would you accept someone of a different race as a neighbour?" and "How often do you see racist behaviour in your neighbourhood?" You could also look at mobility of foreign workers of as opposed to native workers of a similar background. Unfortunately the world value survey results don't really support your case. You'd want the racism broken down by ethnicity I guess if you believe that the Japanese are particularly racist against other Asians. The refugee figures help support the idea that Japan is more racist (Japan accept far fewer refugees than other countries), but as this is a political issue, rather than based on the reaction of individual Japanese people, it's harder to draw conclusions from this. But yes, I don't really find a comment by an individual, or unquantified data from wikipedia very compelling.
  - Regardsyjc 8y ago
    I think xenophobia is a great marker for racism. Here's a wiki article for racism and xenophobia in South Korea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_South_Korea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_South_Korea
    - sofon 8y ago
      Interesting, by the World Value Survey figures South Korea looks worse than Japan overall. 34.1% of people mentioned that they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour, as opposed to 22.3% in Japan. I was still shocked by how high the numbers are for Japan. It's mostly dominated by people over 50 (27.8%) those under 29 only replied positively 10.5% of the time. The numbers for the US are fascinating too. Overall only 5.6% of people said they wouldn't want a person of a different race as a neighbour. But the trend is the opposite to Japan, 6% of people under 29 said they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour (4.7% of people over 50). That young people on average are less likely to want a person of a different race as a neighbour in the US is surprising to me.
      - jimmywanger 8y ago
        > Interesting, by the World Value Survey figures South Korea looks worse than Japan overall. 34.1% of people mentioned that they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour, as opposed to 22.3% in Japan. Is that enough? Other countries are more racist - East/South Asia is in general extremely tribal and racist. Thai people hate Vietnamese, Koreans and Chinese HATE Japanese, and Chinese people look down on South East asians, and the Japanese look down at everybody. Pakistanis and Indians mutually hate each other, Taiwanese look down on Mainlanders, and Northern Chinese look down on the Southern Chinese for eating strange things and being sly/tricky, whereas the Southern Chinese look down on the Northern Chinese for drinking too much and getting into fights. > The numbers for the US are fascinating too. Overall only 5.6% of people said they wouldn't want a person of a different race as a neighbour. But the trend is the opposite to Japan, 6% of people under 29 said they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour (4.7% of people over 50). Like I said, I'm not saying other countries aren't racist. I'm saying that the Japanese are incredibly racist towards other Asians.
        sofon 8y ago
        > Like I said, I'm not saying other countries aren't racist. I'm saying that the Japanese are incredibly racist towards other Asians. You have supplied no data to support this statement, beyond anecdotes. The data I've seen doesn't support the notion that the Japanese are "incredibly racist" against anyone at all.

by sofon 8y ago

jimmywanger 8y ago

I cited wikipedia and a UN observer. What else do you want as data? Survey data? Who would answer a survey asking if you were racist, specifically if you're racist towards certain ethnic groups? What are you realistically asking for that will change your mind?

sofon 8y ago
Yes, survey data. And to be clear, the world value survey has asked questions covering racism. In particular: "Would you accept someone of a different race as a neighbour?" and "How often do you see racist behaviour in your neighbourhood?" You could also look at mobility of foreign workers of as opposed to native workers of a similar background. Unfortunately the world value survey results don't really support your case. You'd want the racism broken down by ethnicity I guess if you believe that the Japanese are particularly racist against other Asians. The refugee figures help support the idea that Japan is more racist (Japan accept far fewer refugees than other countries), but as this is a political issue, rather than based on the reaction of individual Japanese people, it's harder to draw conclusions from this. But yes, I don't really find a comment by an individual, or unquantified data from wikipedia very compelling.
- Regardsyjc 8y ago
  I think xenophobia is a great marker for racism. Here's a wiki article for racism and xenophobia in South Korea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_South_Korea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_South_Korea
  - sofon 8y ago
    Interesting, by the World Value Survey figures South Korea looks worse than Japan overall. 34.1% of people mentioned that they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour, as opposed to 22.3% in Japan. I was still shocked by how high the numbers are for Japan. It's mostly dominated by people over 50 (27.8%) those under 29 only replied positively 10.5% of the time. The numbers for the US are fascinating too. Overall only 5.6% of people said they wouldn't want a person of a different race as a neighbour. But the trend is the opposite to Japan, 6% of people under 29 said they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour (4.7% of people over 50). That young people on average are less likely to want a person of a different race as a neighbour in the US is surprising to me.
    - jimmywanger 8y ago
      > Interesting, by the World Value Survey figures South Korea looks worse than Japan overall. 34.1% of people mentioned that they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour, as opposed to 22.3% in Japan. Is that enough? Other countries are more racist - East/South Asia is in general extremely tribal and racist. Thai people hate Vietnamese, Koreans and Chinese HATE Japanese, and Chinese people look down on South East asians, and the Japanese look down at everybody. Pakistanis and Indians mutually hate each other, Taiwanese look down on Mainlanders, and Northern Chinese look down on the Southern Chinese for eating strange things and being sly/tricky, whereas the Southern Chinese look down on the Northern Chinese for drinking too much and getting into fights. > The numbers for the US are fascinating too. Overall only 5.6% of people said they wouldn't want a person of a different race as a neighbour. But the trend is the opposite to Japan, 6% of people under 29 said they would not want a person of a different race as a neighbour (4.7% of people over 50). Like I said, I'm not saying other countries aren't racist. I'm saying that the Japanese are incredibly racist towards other Asians.
      - sofon 8y ago
        > Like I said, I'm not saying other countries aren't racist. I'm saying that the Japanese are incredibly racist towards other Asians. You have supplied no data to support this statement, beyond anecdotes. The data I've seen doesn't support the notion that the Japanese are "incredibly racist" against anyone at all.