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15 years after its birth, Eve is still making headlines and conducting large scale pvp on a mind boggling level. I tried it and it wasn't for me (too slow) but

15 years after its birth, Eve is still making headlines and conducting large scale pvp on a mind boggling level. I tried it and it wasn't for me (too slow) but a part of me wishes it was. Nearly every other MMO loses its essence over time (and wanes/dies trying to cater to the lowest common), but Eve seems to, after 15 years, still be the same ruthless political madness that it was on day 1. I admire that immensely after being orphaned by numerous MMOs that couldn't hold on to their essence.

magicnubs 8y ago
Same. I miss early Everquest something fierce.
- portroyal 8y ago
  EQ took my MMO cherry at the tender age of 15. RIP High School initiative. Vanilla WoW had the same effect. No other games have come close to those (approx 2yrs each) experiences.
  - SN76477 8y ago
    I think there is something about the unknown and danger that vanilla games have. Then you level up, you have been all over the world a dozen times, you become goal focused. I remember the most fun I could have would be with a friend and we would run around leveling, exploring, trying to go into zones that would kill us. Something magical about that newbie experience.
    - cschep 8y ago
      I miss this too, the new zone scaling/instancing stuff is cool from a tech standpoint, but nothing feels dangerous anymore that's for sure.
      - SN76477 8y ago
        I hope to see a roguelike multiplayer RPGs where things can be random, surprising, broken, confusing, (hopefully not to frustrating) created a deeper sense of adventure.
- bjelkeman-again 8y ago
  Then I suggest that you come and hang out with us. It is close enough to the real thing that I never reflect much on the difference. Mainly it is an old server, so the economy is a bit wonky. But the community is fantastic for 99% of the population. Come hither! https://www.project1999.com https://www.project1999.com
mihaifm 8y ago
Just wondering if any of today's MMOs will reach 100 years. That would be a really interesting point in human history, having a virtual world run for so long.
- ghostbrainalpha 8y ago
  I think about it like this. Good stories have incredible staying power. Disney movies like Cinderella, and Snow White can always be remade with newer technology because there core story is worth adapting to the new mediums. World of Warcraft started with some very good lore. I remember enjoying the huge back stories that came in the instruction manuals before the game even became an MMO. So I think it has a chance to hit that 100 year mark. That doesn't mean it will have a continuous virtual world for the entire 100 years though. But I think through a couple revivals it could make it. I also worry the IP is not really unique enough to guarantee it will be here, but I do think they are working that.
thg 8y ago
> Nearly every other MMO loses its essence over time (and wanes/dies trying to cater to the lowest common), but Eve seems to, after 15 years, still be the same ruthless political madness that it was on day 1. Speaking as someone that's been there from day 1 (before actually. I've been playing since closed beta back in 2002), EVE is absolutely not the same ruthless universe anymore that it once was. It's increasingly become a fancy pile of garbage, where complexity is removed and the game streamlined to "make it more accessible". In other words: It's on the best way of becoming yet another World of Warcraft clone and that's mightily showing in the community these days. EVE lives and dies by its community and frankly the community has pretty much degraded to a bunch of screaming children crying for instant gratification and the removal of the last essence of what made EVE be EVE. So yeah, the only reason EVE is still around is because it's a niche game and it's literally the only available choice in that niche. If CCP had even the slightest sliver of competition, EVE would have already gone the same way as so many other MMOs that lost their aim, spirit and essence before it. But well, people have given me the title "Epitome of Bittervetism", so maybe take this with a grain of salt. But in all honesty, you're not missing out on much anymore. Edit: No, you can't have my stuff.
- sandworm101 8y ago
  I too was in the closed beta. Was there when the first 'miner2' blueprint was dropped. Ragequit when i lost my second battleship. I tried again last year. I prefer games of skill. Eve is all about having the most buds with the cool toys, being in the right clubs. If you can dominate a chatroom with posts, you are good at eve. It is facebook with lasers.
  - busterarm 8y ago
    What makes you think Facebook isn't played with lasers? In some countries it's played with death squads, apparently.
  - smogcutter 8y ago
    It's funny, what you hated about Eve is what I liked. Success was about brains, persistence and relationships, not grinding or mouse & keyboard skill (although those certainly helped). Not totally unlike real life. It's been five or six years since I played though, no idea what kind of hot garbage it's turned into since then.

magicnubs 8y ago

Same. I miss early Everquest something fierce.

portroyal 8y ago
EQ took my MMO cherry at the tender age of 15. RIP High School initiative. Vanilla WoW had the same effect. No other games have come close to those (approx 2yrs each) experiences.
- SN76477 8y ago
  I think there is something about the unknown and danger that vanilla games have. Then you level up, you have been all over the world a dozen times, you become goal focused. I remember the most fun I could have would be with a friend and we would run around leveling, exploring, trying to go into zones that would kill us. Something magical about that newbie experience.
  - cschep 8y ago
    I miss this too, the new zone scaling/instancing stuff is cool from a tech standpoint, but nothing feels dangerous anymore that's for sure.
    - SN76477 8y ago
      I hope to see a roguelike multiplayer RPGs where things can be random, surprising, broken, confusing, (hopefully not to frustrating) created a deeper sense of adventure.
bjelkeman-again 8y ago
Then I suggest that you come and hang out with us. It is close enough to the real thing that I never reflect much on the difference. Mainly it is an old server, so the economy is a bit wonky. But the community is fantastic for 99% of the population. Come hither! https://www.project1999.com https://www.project1999.com

mihaifm 8y ago

Just wondering if any of today's MMOs will reach 100 years. That would be a really interesting point in human history, having a virtual world run for so long.

ghostbrainalpha 8y ago
I think about it like this. Good stories have incredible staying power. Disney movies like Cinderella, and Snow White can always be remade with newer technology because there core story is worth adapting to the new mediums. World of Warcraft started with some very good lore. I remember enjoying the huge back stories that came in the instruction manuals before the game even became an MMO. So I think it has a chance to hit that 100 year mark. That doesn't mean it will have a continuous virtual world for the entire 100 years though. But I think through a couple revivals it could make it. I also worry the IP is not really unique enough to guarantee it will be here, but I do think they are working that.

thg 8y ago

> Nearly every other MMO loses its essence over time (and wanes/dies trying to cater to the lowest common), but Eve seems to, after 15 years, still be the same ruthless political madness that it was on day 1. Speaking as someone that's been there from day 1 (before actually. I've been playing since closed beta back in 2002), EVE is absolutely not the same ruthless universe anymore that it once was. It's increasingly become a fancy pile of garbage, where complexity is removed and the game streamlined to "make it more accessible". In other words: It's on the best way of becoming yet another World of Warcraft clone and that's mightily showing in the community these days. EVE lives and dies by its community and frankly the community has pretty much degraded to a bunch of screaming children crying for instant gratification and the removal of the last essence of what made EVE be EVE. So yeah, the only reason EVE is still around is because it's a niche game and it's literally the only available choice in that niche. If CCP had even the slightest sliver of competition, EVE would have already gone the same way as so many other MMOs that lost their aim, spirit and essence before it. But well, people have given me the title "Epitome of Bittervetism", so maybe take this with a grain of salt. But in all honesty, you're not missing out on much anymore. Edit: No, you can't have my stuff.

sandworm101 8y ago
I too was in the closed beta. Was there when the first 'miner2' blueprint was dropped. Ragequit when i lost my second battleship. I tried again last year. I prefer games of skill. Eve is all about having the most buds with the cool toys, being in the right clubs. If you can dominate a chatroom with posts, you are good at eve. It is facebook with lasers.
- busterarm 8y ago
  What makes you think Facebook isn't played with lasers? In some countries it's played with death squads, apparently.
- smogcutter 8y ago
  It's funny, what you hated about Eve is what I liked. Success was about brains, persistence and relationships, not grinding or mouse & keyboard skill (although those certainly helped). Not totally unlike real life. It's been five or six years since I played though, no idea what kind of hot garbage it's turned into since then.