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On Dollar Slices, Pizza Vectors, Prosciutto Zones and Topping Hyperspace

74 points by loisaidasam 8y ago

IIAOPSW 8y ago
>There’s also a strong geographic connection between the subway and pizza: Of all the pizzerias in New York City, 79% (1438 / 2290) are within a 10 minute walk of a subway entrance. according to that map (and common sense) basically everything in New York is a 10 min walk from the subway even if it isn't a pizzaria.
- noer 8y ago
  Not quite: this map [1] illustrates that there are large swaths of eastern Queens, southeastern Brooklyn, the Bronx and even parts of Manhattan that are more than a 10 minute walk from the subway. Since blocks between avenues are 1/3 of a mile long (and 1/20 of a mile between numbered streets), at 10th Av and 23rd St, you're about a 10 minute walk from both the 23rd ACE and 34th 7 stations (assuming you can walk a mile in 20 minutes). What a lot of people don't realize is that the subway is not all that convenient to where large parts of the population in the city lives and a lot of people take busses (or a combination of a bus & a train) to get where they need to go. Edit: a version of the map I posted is in the article. [1]: https://cwhong.carto.com/viz/6dfca01c-47e5-11e6-9fd3-0ee66e2c9693/embed_map https://cwhong.carto.com/viz/6dfca01c-47e5-11e6-9fd3-0ee66e2...
  - jsight 8y ago
    If pizza places were evenly distributed, what percentage of them would be greater than a 10 minute walk from the subway?
    - closed 8y ago
      Restaurants in general might not be evenly distributed. If the claim is that the subway exerts an influence on pizza places above and beyond its general effect on restaurants--then I'd be interested to see the percentages for some other kinds of restaurants.
  - IIAOPSW 8y ago
    >What a lot of people don't realize is that the subway is not all that convenient to where large parts of the population in the city lives Um, how many people actually live in those islands you found? A lot of those narrow islands could be eliminated by just increasing the walk time to ~12 min. Even more should be covered by the recent 2nd ave extension. The whole strip on Manhattan's East side will be covered once the 2nd Ave line is finished. No one lives in Newton Creek. Many of the other transit dead zones are functionally low rise suburbs. I wouldn't be surprised if the population on those islands you found is dwarfed by NYC population overall.
    - michaelt 8y ago
      The map I see is this: https://imgur.com/h74uIJB https://imgur.com/h74uIJB I'd say there's a pretty large land area not within 10 minutes of a subway station. Unless what you're trying to say is "places that don't have the public transport to support high-density housing don't have high density housing" - if that's what you're saying, I agree with you!
      - cm2012 8y ago
        It's still very dense and a very good chunk of the city's pop: https://www.google.com/search?q=pppulation+densoty+map+nyc&oq=pppulation+densoty+map+nyc&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.5388j1j4&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=iEPVIiQq6aaR7M: https://www.google.com/search?q=pppulation+densoty+map+nyc&o....
      - IIAOPSW 8y ago
        That's exactly what I'm saying. When you resale the map by the presence of commercial space, practically every store front you could buy would be within 10 min of a subway. Transit makes a city.
    - noer 8y ago
      There are a fair amount of large housing developments outside of a 10-12 minute walk to a subway station. Co-Op city in the Bronx is huge (and according to Wikipedia, has 46K residents), LeFrak City in Queens is mostly out of that boundary and, the one on Pennsylvania Ave in Canarsie (whose name escapes me at the moment) are all large developments without easy subway access. You could probably also includes parts of Stuy Town/Peter Cooper Village and those Union Sponsored Mitchell-Lama towers in the LES as being farther than 10 minutes from a subway.
  - soared 8y ago
    I wish the water, streets, and deserts were different colors.
kimdotcom 8y ago
I enjoyed this article, it used ML to classify geographical areas in NY culturally, based on pizza topping availability and $1 slice availability. They also attempted to predict the likelyhood of availability of toppings, based on neighborhood features.
- mywittyname 8y ago
  Stupid question, but are you the actual Kim Dotcom?
  - kimdotcom 8y ago
    No, definitely not.
_ZeD_ 8y ago
As an Italian, that... "things"... in the article are not pizzas
- atomical 8y ago
  Any culture can redefine what pizza means.
  - cf498 8y ago
    There are quite a lot of foods and beverages which have a protected name bound to the ingredients that are allowed to be used to create it in a specific way. Take Mozzarella in general or for a local example beer in Germany(Reinheitsgebot). It is not far fetched that Italian Pizza could be a candidate for a TSG marking. There are individual pizzas which already are protected, take Pizza Napoletana for example.
    - fjsolwmv 8y ago
      We're talking about NY Pizza, not Italian or Napoletana.
      - deleted 8y ago
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  - stronglikedan 8y ago
    But it's usually labeled with the regional descriptor intact, e.g., New York Style Pizza or Chicago Style Pizza. I think OP was just referring to the fact that pizza's region is Italian by default, and they are taking exception to the article omitting "New York Style", even though it was heavily implied, and apparent to all but a pedant.
- sandworm101 8y ago
  The most important lesson I took from living in new england was to never argue food with anyone from Boston, Chicago or New York. Pizza and the regional opinions surrounding it, are more part of their identity than language or religion. Baseball and politics are the safe topics. An article about pizza and subways ... say far away.
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Kagerjay 8y ago
Pizza is interesting. Last year I spoke with the head of r&d of a major water filtering company based in italy, the birthplace of pizza. A little unknown fact is Water quality makes a difference on the taste of pizza. There is a saying in the states that you cant replicate true new york pizza unless you use new york water, etc. Good pizza water tastes awful if you drank it as is. I dont recall which elements were added inside of it, but its there. Another interesting tidbit is pizza quality is sometimes compared to coffee quality for water enthusiasts. Sometimes called "waves". A first wave coffee shop is like getting a awful espresso shot at a hotel. 2nd and 3rd wave is like starbucks. 4th wave is when a coffee shop sources their own products and knows the history behind its goods. 5th wave is everything - these are generallly operated by famous baristas who have basic chemistry knowledge and expertise operating a espresso machine. Pizza is the similar in ratings to coffee in this regard.

74 points by loisaidasam 8y ago

>There’s also a strong geographic connection between the subway and pizza: Of all the pizzerias in New York City, 79% (1438 / 2290) are within a 10 minute walk of a subway entrance. according to that map (and common sense) basically everything in New York is a 10 min walk from the subway even if it isn't a pizzaria.

noer 8y ago
Not quite: this map [1] illustrates that there are large swaths of eastern Queens, southeastern Brooklyn, the Bronx and even parts of Manhattan that are more than a 10 minute walk from the subway. Since blocks between avenues are 1/3 of a mile long (and 1/20 of a mile between numbered streets), at 10th Av and 23rd St, you're about a 10 minute walk from both the 23rd ACE and 34th 7 stations (assuming you can walk a mile in 20 minutes). What a lot of people don't realize is that the subway is not all that convenient to where large parts of the population in the city lives and a lot of people take busses (or a combination of a bus & a train) to get where they need to go. Edit: a version of the map I posted is in the article. [1]: https://cwhong.carto.com/viz/6dfca01c-47e5-11e6-9fd3-0ee66e2c9693/embed_map https://cwhong.carto.com/viz/6dfca01c-47e5-11e6-9fd3-0ee66e2...
- jsight 8y ago
  If pizza places were evenly distributed, what percentage of them would be greater than a 10 minute walk from the subway?
  - closed 8y ago
    Restaurants in general might not be evenly distributed. If the claim is that the subway exerts an influence on pizza places above and beyond its general effect on restaurants--then I'd be interested to see the percentages for some other kinds of restaurants.
- IIAOPSW 8y ago
  >What a lot of people don't realize is that the subway is not all that convenient to where large parts of the population in the city lives Um, how many people actually live in those islands you found? A lot of those narrow islands could be eliminated by just increasing the walk time to ~12 min. Even more should be covered by the recent 2nd ave extension. The whole strip on Manhattan's East side will be covered once the 2nd Ave line is finished. No one lives in Newton Creek. Many of the other transit dead zones are functionally low rise suburbs. I wouldn't be surprised if the population on those islands you found is dwarfed by NYC population overall.
  - michaelt 8y ago
    The map I see is this: https://imgur.com/h74uIJB https://imgur.com/h74uIJB I'd say there's a pretty large land area not within 10 minutes of a subway station. Unless what you're trying to say is "places that don't have the public transport to support high-density housing don't have high density housing" - if that's what you're saying, I agree with you!
    - cm2012 8y ago
      It's still very dense and a very good chunk of the city's pop: https://www.google.com/search?q=pppulation+densoty+map+nyc&oq=pppulation+densoty+map+nyc&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.5388j1j4&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=iEPVIiQq6aaR7M: https://www.google.com/search?q=pppulation+densoty+map+nyc&o....
    - IIAOPSW 8y ago
      That's exactly what I'm saying. When you resale the map by the presence of commercial space, practically every store front you could buy would be within 10 min of a subway. Transit makes a city.
  - noer 8y ago
    There are a fair amount of large housing developments outside of a 10-12 minute walk to a subway station. Co-Op city in the Bronx is huge (and according to Wikipedia, has 46K residents), LeFrak City in Queens is mostly out of that boundary and, the one on Pennsylvania Ave in Canarsie (whose name escapes me at the moment) are all large developments without easy subway access. You could probably also includes parts of Stuy Town/Peter Cooper Village and those Union Sponsored Mitchell-Lama towers in the LES as being farther than 10 minutes from a subway.
- soared 8y ago
  I wish the water, streets, and deserts were different colors.

kimdotcom 8y ago

I enjoyed this article, it used ML to classify geographical areas in NY culturally, based on pizza topping availability and $1 slice availability. They also attempted to predict the likelyhood of availability of toppings, based on neighborhood features.

mywittyname 8y ago
Stupid question, but are you the actual Kim Dotcom?
- kimdotcom 8y ago
  No, definitely not.

_ZeD_ 8y ago

As an Italian, that... "things"... in the article are not pizzas

atomical 8y ago
Any culture can redefine what pizza means.
- cf498 8y ago
  There are quite a lot of foods and beverages which have a protected name bound to the ingredients that are allowed to be used to create it in a specific way. Take Mozzarella in general or for a local example beer in Germany(Reinheitsgebot). It is not far fetched that Italian Pizza could be a candidate for a TSG marking. There are individual pizzas which already are protected, take Pizza Napoletana for example.
  - fjsolwmv 8y ago
    We're talking about NY Pizza, not Italian or Napoletana.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
- stronglikedan 8y ago
  But it's usually labeled with the regional descriptor intact, e.g., New York Style Pizza or Chicago Style Pizza. I think OP was just referring to the fact that pizza's region is Italian by default, and they are taking exception to the article omitting "New York Style", even though it was heavily implied, and apparent to all but a pedant.
sandworm101 8y ago
The most important lesson I took from living in new england was to never argue food with anyone from Boston, Chicago or New York. Pizza and the regional opinions surrounding it, are more part of their identity than language or religion. Baseball and politics are the safe topics. An article about pizza and subways ... say far away.

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Kagerjay 8y ago

Pizza is interesting. Last year I spoke with the head of r&d of a major water filtering company based in italy, the birthplace of pizza. A little unknown fact is Water quality makes a difference on the taste of pizza. There is a saying in the states that you cant replicate true new york pizza unless you use new york water, etc. Good pizza water tastes awful if you drank it as is. I dont recall which elements were added inside of it, but its there. Another interesting tidbit is pizza quality is sometimes compared to coffee quality for water enthusiasts. Sometimes called "waves". A first wave coffee shop is like getting a awful espresso shot at a hotel. 2nd and 3rd wave is like starbucks. 4th wave is when a coffee shop sources their own products and knows the history behind its goods. 5th wave is everything - these are generallly operated by famous baristas who have basic chemistry knowledge and expertise operating a espresso machine. Pizza is the similar in ratings to coffee in this regard.