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I had always thought that he was beaten, I guess because I'd never really looked into it. From the article it seems like it's most likely that he either attempt

I had always thought that he was beaten, I guess because I'd never really looked into it. From the article it seems like it's most likely that he either attempted suicide or lost blood flow to his brain in some other way, and then was discovered by his guards unconscious and taken to the hospital in North Korea.

csmckay 8y ago
Yeah the article mentioned all the North Korean medical paper work showed Otto went into the Hospital already in a coma the day after he was sentenced. Furthermore, the article suggest he was well taken care of the entire time while in his coma (i.e., no bedsores, healthy coma weight, healthy skin etc.). And it said the original brain scans showed equal distribution of brain damage on both signs (i.e., he died from lack of oxygen rather than blows to the head). I don't think I'd be strong enough to stay in it after being sentenced to a lifetime of jail in a North Korean prison camp. The "beatings" and "torture" talk all seems to be false propaganda that wasn't backed up by any evidence with several officials noting no signs of beatings or torture, which is disgusting.
- oculusthrift 8y ago
  and north korea has never been known to lie, so must be true
  - tptacek 8y ago
    For most of the detail cited in the comment you replied to, we're not relying on North Korea's representations, so your reply is largely nonresponsive.
- ForRealsies 8y ago
  Yeah he wasn't tortured. He just put himself into a coma in a failed suicide self-strangulation attempt. You know, to escape that whole lifetime of forced labor bit. Muuuuuch better
debt 8y ago
I'm pretty sure sentencing a man to 15 years in prison for stealing a poster is torture enough. I can always spot the pro-Trumpers as they'll always make defensible anything related to his decisions; in this case, "hey Kim's not a bad guy because look Otto wasn't beaten by a murderous regime, he merely attempted suicide. So maybe it's not so bad we're getting friendly with Kim's regime."
- SomeAmerican 8y ago
  This is a bizarre statement. It was Trump claiming that the boy had been tortured and beaten.

csmckay 8y ago

Yeah the article mentioned all the North Korean medical paper work showed Otto went into the Hospital already in a coma the day after he was sentenced. Furthermore, the article suggest he was well taken care of the entire time while in his coma (i.e., no bedsores, healthy coma weight, healthy skin etc.). And it said the original brain scans showed equal distribution of brain damage on both signs (i.e., he died from lack of oxygen rather than blows to the head). I don't think I'd be strong enough to stay in it after being sentenced to a lifetime of jail in a North Korean prison camp. The "beatings" and "torture" talk all seems to be false propaganda that wasn't backed up by any evidence with several officials noting no signs of beatings or torture, which is disgusting.

oculusthrift 8y ago
and north korea has never been known to lie, so must be true
- tptacek 8y ago
  For most of the detail cited in the comment you replied to, we're not relying on North Korea's representations, so your reply is largely nonresponsive.
ForRealsies 8y ago
Yeah he wasn't tortured. He just put himself into a coma in a failed suicide self-strangulation attempt. You know, to escape that whole lifetime of forced labor bit. Muuuuuch better

debt 8y ago

I'm pretty sure sentencing a man to 15 years in prison for stealing a poster is torture enough. I can always spot the pro-Trumpers as they'll always make defensible anything related to his decisions; in this case, "hey Kim's not a bad guy because look Otto wasn't beaten by a murderous regime, he merely attempted suicide. So maybe it's not so bad we're getting friendly with Kim's regime."

SomeAmerican 8y ago
This is a bizarre statement. It was Trump claiming that the boy had been tortured and beaten.