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I wouldn’t jump the gun on that. OP was clearly trying to create a worse case scernaio so that a reader may see the story from the perspective of a land owner v

by dapole 8y ago

I wouldn’t jump the gun on that. OP was clearly trying to create a worse case scernaio so that a reader may see the story from the perspective of a land owner vs the first comment which while a beautiful sentiment doesn’t really take practicalities like liability into consideration.

glangdale 8y ago
Finally, someone creating a scenario so we can see things from the much-neglected perspective of a land owner.
dvtrn 8y ago
Okay. Fine. Still doesn't explain how we, or ebbv at least-knows the gentleman has a mental condition. That seems-in the absence of anything confirming so in the article-to be an incredibly uncharitable assumption because the man has chosen a lifestyle us in the 21st century would be inclined to "other"-ize for no good and justifiable reason.
wu-ikkyu 8y ago
Arbitrarily defining someone as mentally ill in order to take away their chosen way life is an age old strawman.
- ebbv 8y ago
  That's not what the term "strawman" means. What you mean is it's an excuse used to oppress people, and that may be true but you'd have to give supporting cases. (Certainly it has been the case for LGBTQ people being oppressed in the past, even currently in some countries.) Mental illness is also a real thing and a real problem, and people with serious problems who need medication often live outside the bounds of normal society. But that issue is not going to be solved here, and I think it's a distraction from the actual topic because the reality is he was on other people's property where he wasn't welcome.
  - iamdave 8y ago
    I think they're describing your applying a mental disorder to someone when there's no evidence of that anywhere in the article-to justify your position against the comment you responded to-as being a strawman. Because it is.
  - wu-ikkyu 8y ago
    >I think it's a distraction from the actual topic Precisely my point. >that may be true but you'd have to give supporting cases. There are countless examples throughout history if you'd like to learn. Runaway slaves, gays, masturbators, marijuana smokers, and political dissidents have all been classified as mentally ill and oppressed as a result of their lifestyles. For more comprehensive, historically cited writeup, check out The Manufacture of Madness https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inquisition-Movement/dp/0815604610 https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inqui...

by dapole 8y ago

glangdale 8y ago

Finally, someone creating a scenario so we can see things from the much-neglected perspective of a land owner.

dvtrn 8y ago

Okay. Fine. Still doesn't explain how we, or ebbv at least-knows the gentleman has a mental condition. That seems-in the absence of anything confirming so in the article-to be an incredibly uncharitable assumption because the man has chosen a lifestyle us in the 21st century would be inclined to "other"-ize for no good and justifiable reason.

wu-ikkyu 8y ago

Arbitrarily defining someone as mentally ill in order to take away their chosen way life is an age old strawman.

ebbv 8y ago
That's not what the term "strawman" means. What you mean is it's an excuse used to oppress people, and that may be true but you'd have to give supporting cases. (Certainly it has been the case for LGBTQ people being oppressed in the past, even currently in some countries.) Mental illness is also a real thing and a real problem, and people with serious problems who need medication often live outside the bounds of normal society. But that issue is not going to be solved here, and I think it's a distraction from the actual topic because the reality is he was on other people's property where he wasn't welcome.
- iamdave 8y ago
  I think they're describing your applying a mental disorder to someone when there's no evidence of that anywhere in the article-to justify your position against the comment you responded to-as being a strawman. Because it is.
- wu-ikkyu 8y ago
  >I think it's a distraction from the actual topic Precisely my point. >that may be true but you'd have to give supporting cases. There are countless examples throughout history if you'd like to learn. Runaway slaves, gays, masturbators, marijuana smokers, and political dissidents have all been classified as mentally ill and oppressed as a result of their lifestyles. For more comprehensive, historically cited writeup, check out The Manufacture of Madness https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inquisition-Movement/dp/0815604610 https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inqui...