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How do you go directly from client to database with nothing in the middle while being unable to trust the client?

ryanmarsh 8y ago
Policies are put in place in one fashion or another. You’d do this differently in DynamoDB or Firebase but basically you set up a rule like, users can only update records with a key matching their user ID. So that logic does end up somewhere. Instead of in a Lambda or Cloud Function the logic is “embedded” in the database. IMHO this is an anti pattern but what do I know?
- stefantheard 8y ago
  ah I see, yikes. I agree with you. this is optimizing for some non existent problem (or at least a non obvious problem)
  - movedx 8y ago
    Just because you've never had to overcome or experience the problem, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you've ever had to develop an MVP from the ground up and build a business around it, services like this are critical to your acceleration, time to market, and budget.
    - stefantheard 8y ago
      that's why I said "or non obvious" I'm not totally sold on this saving time but I guess it could be argued depending on the expertise of the developer
      - movedx 8y ago
        > depending on the expertise of the developer The more experienced the developer, the faster they are. The faster the technology enables you to be, the faster you'll produce something. Both go hand in hand. An experienced developer would absolutely love Serverless for most problems they face. Having the option of doing as little Ops as possible and just solving problems in software is the very definition of a software developer (which certainly might be changing over time) :)
        stefantheard 8y ago
        I still don't see where the savings of time come in. What you lose in "ops" you gain in configuration and assuming you don't have eidetic memory that has a time cost.
        movedx 8y ago
        What configuration? I use AppEngine for a personal project I'm developing, and besides the app.yml file, which is about five lines long, I don't configure a thing. In fact, I don't even have to stand up databases to use one: I just make the API call to store the data and it's handled for me. Literally zero configuration. That's in the standard environment. Even in the Flexible Environment the configuration is equally nonexistent. Give AppEngine a try: I honestly believe you'll consider it the true definition of Serverless.

Policies are put in place in one fashion or another. You’d do this differently in DynamoDB or Firebase but basically you set up a rule like, users can only update records with a key matching their user ID. So that logic does end up somewhere. Instead of in a Lambda or Cloud Function the logic is “embedded” in the database. IMHO this is an anti pattern but what do I know?

stefantheard 8y ago
ah I see, yikes. I agree with you. this is optimizing for some non existent problem (or at least a non obvious problem)
- movedx 8y ago
  Just because you've never had to overcome or experience the problem, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you've ever had to develop an MVP from the ground up and build a business around it, services like this are critical to your acceleration, time to market, and budget.
  - stefantheard 8y ago
    that's why I said "or non obvious" I'm not totally sold on this saving time but I guess it could be argued depending on the expertise of the developer
    - movedx 8y ago
      > depending on the expertise of the developer The more experienced the developer, the faster they are. The faster the technology enables you to be, the faster you'll produce something. Both go hand in hand. An experienced developer would absolutely love Serverless for most problems they face. Having the option of doing as little Ops as possible and just solving problems in software is the very definition of a software developer (which certainly might be changing over time) :)
      - stefantheard 8y ago
        I still don't see where the savings of time come in. What you lose in "ops" you gain in configuration and assuming you don't have eidetic memory that has a time cost.
        movedx 8y ago
        What configuration? I use AppEngine for a personal project I'm developing, and besides the app.yml file, which is about five lines long, I don't configure a thing. In fact, I don't even have to stand up databases to use one: I just make the API call to store the data and it's handled for me. Literally zero configuration. That's in the standard environment. Even in the Flexible Environment the configuration is equally nonexistent. Give AppEngine a try: I honestly believe you'll consider it the true definition of Serverless.