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I am one who can be in this boat and don’t know what to do yet.

by varunsaini 8y ago

sus_007 8y ago
I am thinking about coming aboard this particular boat i.e come to the USA. What would you do if you were me ?
- sfbay 8y ago
  Canada
  - behringer 8y ago
    Mexico
  - HarryHirsch 8y ago
    European Union Blue Card. Just consider the healthcare mess in the US.
    - rs999gti 8y ago
      > Just consider the healthcare mess in the US. And even with that, there are still 600K Indians trying become US citizens.
      - throwaway12122 8y ago
        That was because being in US was considered a status symbol until recently. Parents used to feel proud to tell their friends and relatives that my son/daughter is in US, even though deep down they are afraid of ending up alone. I see an Indian eagerly waiting to be picked for the H1B visa similar to the Sausage Party movie where they all wait eagerly at the supermarket thinking outside the door is heaven or something. I agree some of the things (especially pay) are better than in India, but they are loosing a lot. And India is only going to get better (probably in another 10-15 years, lot of things in India will be comparable to what US has currently). Coming back to the parents, now with all the negative coverage of H1B in Indian media, people have a negative perception of being in US. My visa expired and is in process of renewal. I didn't go to office one day. My dad thought I wasn't going because I was hiding from the authorities since my visa expired. They have been asking me to come back for a while now. 600K Indians out of 1 billion is nothing. Huge number of Indians don't want to leave India. I hope you know that. It becomes more evident once you are in the marriage market. Lot of them are downright reject proposals from people who work in US. Also, I never heard of Canada immigration until 1 year back. Now, a lot of my friends/colleagues are talking about or in the process of applying for the Canadian visa. And a good number of those who apply for green card don't do it because they want to become a citizen. Its because once you complete a certain stage of green card (I-140), you can continue working in the country. Otherwise, you have to leave once you complete 6 years. They plan to work for 10-20 years, and come back to India and retire nicely with all the money they made in US.
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- georgeecollins 8y ago
  Come to the US. We reward talented people and it is a nice country to live in.
  - behringer 8y ago
    You spelt Canada wrong.
- toweringgoat 8y ago
  Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ. There are places with Bay Area style salaries, there are other places with lower salaries - either way, you'll be living a comfortable life since costs will be lower than Bay Area. You'll universally find a much better healthcare system (e.g. health insurance not tied to your employer), with the exception of the UK. You'll find a humane immigration system that doesn't kick you out if your employer decides to screw you over (again with the exception of the UK). You'll generally have some form of state support if you lose your job instead of being thrown to homelessness. Etc etc. The US is a second world country nowadays. And any children you might have will be far safer, and at lower risk for severe mental health problems.
  - partycoder 8y ago
    You might need to revisit the definition of second world countries (soviet aligned countries during the cold war).
  - mFixman 8y ago
    None of those places have anywhere near Bar Area salaries: London, by far the city with the highest salaries in the West outside of the US, has salaries that are 70% of the ones you'd get in California before counting a significant amount of extra income and sales taxes and almost similarly ridicolous housing. On the other hand, the private insurance in the UK that's usually included in big tech companies' work is absolutely top-notch.
    - guitarbill 8y ago
      In absolute values, those salaries are the highest, but for quality of living, that's largely irrelevant unless your hobbies need large amounts of capital. For example, in big cities in Europe, you can easily and happily get by without a car, which saves a lot. You have more vacation. No tipping. Easier/more obvious ways to save for retirement. Your kids not having to do active shooter drills at school. Cheaper/free schools and universities. Maternal/paternal leave. Etc, etc. So if you have a family, or thinking of starting a family, it's worth factoring that stuff in.
  - 8y ago

I am one who can be in this boat and don’t know what to do yet.

sus_007 8y ago

I am thinking about coming aboard this particular boat i.e come to the USA. What would you do if you were me ?

sfbay 8y ago
Canada
- behringer 8y ago
  Mexico
- HarryHirsch 8y ago
  European Union Blue Card. Just consider the healthcare mess in the US.
  - rs999gti 8y ago
    > Just consider the healthcare mess in the US. And even with that, there are still 600K Indians trying become US citizens.
    - throwaway12122 8y ago
      That was because being in US was considered a status symbol until recently. Parents used to feel proud to tell their friends and relatives that my son/daughter is in US, even though deep down they are afraid of ending up alone. I see an Indian eagerly waiting to be picked for the H1B visa similar to the Sausage Party movie where they all wait eagerly at the supermarket thinking outside the door is heaven or something. I agree some of the things (especially pay) are better than in India, but they are loosing a lot. And India is only going to get better (probably in another 10-15 years, lot of things in India will be comparable to what US has currently). Coming back to the parents, now with all the negative coverage of H1B in Indian media, people have a negative perception of being in US. My visa expired and is in process of renewal. I didn't go to office one day. My dad thought I wasn't going because I was hiding from the authorities since my visa expired. They have been asking me to come back for a while now. 600K Indians out of 1 billion is nothing. Huge number of Indians don't want to leave India. I hope you know that. It becomes more evident once you are in the marriage market. Lot of them are downright reject proposals from people who work in US. Also, I never heard of Canada immigration until 1 year back. Now, a lot of my friends/colleagues are talking about or in the process of applying for the Canadian visa. And a good number of those who apply for green card don't do it because they want to become a citizen. Its because once you complete a certain stage of green card (I-140), you can continue working in the country. Otherwise, you have to leave once you complete 6 years. They plan to work for 10-20 years, and come back to India and retire nicely with all the money they made in US.
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georgeecollins 8y ago
Come to the US. We reward talented people and it is a nice country to live in.
- behringer 8y ago
  You spelt Canada wrong.
toweringgoat 8y ago
Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ. There are places with Bay Area style salaries, there are other places with lower salaries - either way, you'll be living a comfortable life since costs will be lower than Bay Area. You'll universally find a much better healthcare system (e.g. health insurance not tied to your employer), with the exception of the UK. You'll find a humane immigration system that doesn't kick you out if your employer decides to screw you over (again with the exception of the UK). You'll generally have some form of state support if you lose your job instead of being thrown to homelessness. Etc etc. The US is a second world country nowadays. And any children you might have will be far safer, and at lower risk for severe mental health problems.
- partycoder 8y ago
  You might need to revisit the definition of second world countries (soviet aligned countries during the cold war).
- mFixman 8y ago
  None of those places have anywhere near Bar Area salaries: London, by far the city with the highest salaries in the West outside of the US, has salaries that are 70% of the ones you'd get in California before counting a significant amount of extra income and sales taxes and almost similarly ridicolous housing. On the other hand, the private insurance in the UK that's usually included in big tech companies' work is absolutely top-notch.
  - guitarbill 8y ago
    In absolute values, those salaries are the highest, but for quality of living, that's largely irrelevant unless your hobbies need large amounts of capital. For example, in big cities in Europe, you can easily and happily get by without a car, which saves a lot. You have more vacation. No tipping. Easier/more obvious ways to save for retirement. Your kids not having to do active shooter drills at school. Cheaper/free schools and universities. Maternal/paternal leave. Etc, etc. So if you have a family, or thinking of starting a family, it's worth factoring that stuff in.
- 8y ago