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The private companies which are killing the whales are just a proxy of the Japanese government, which are officially allowed by the government. They aren't allo

by doall 8y ago

The private companies which are killing the whales are just a proxy of the Japanese government, which are officially allowed by the government. They aren't allowed by the government to hunt as much as they want to maximize the benefits. To build a sustainable business in such regulated field, of course it is important to obey the laws and also care for the environment. If the killings of 122 pregnant whales severely affect the environment and if there is a clear evidence to support such claim, the company should stop killing them. But if the company is obeying the laws and it's just an emotional thing, I consider it some other people's business.

pvaldes 8y ago
Except that this species is not a property of the government of Japan, neither lives only in Japanese waters, nor are caught (only) in Japanese coast. So the "not your bussiness" claim is incorrect here.
- doall 8y ago
  I stated a precondition, "if the company is obeying the laws and it's just an emotional thing". So if that precondition is not true as you might consider, then your claim 'So the "not your business" claim is incorrect here' is incorrect.
  - pvaldes 8y ago
    Not. Your precondition was not that. It was more like "If the company is obeying the japanese government" or the "japanese law" then is fine for Japanese to hunt this whales in Antarctic waters But is more complicated than that. Maybe you don't know that In 1994 the IWC (International Whaling Commission) created the SOWS (Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary). The countries in the IWC decided to forbid commercial whaling in those waters. Those are the summer feeding fields needed for a big percentage of the extant populations of big cetaceans to survive. Whales need to feed almost continuously without being disturbed in summer because they will fast later for several months when breeding. A zero catch quota for minke whales was stablished, only allowing to kill a small number for scientific purposes. On March 2014 the International Court of Justice agreed with Australia that the number of Japanese scientific research publications were not proportionate to the number of animals killed (and sold as meat in the japanese market) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctuary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctuary "The research conducted in the Antarctic over the last two decades under Article VIII of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling has involved the killing of nearly 10000 minke whales and 13 fin whales. The majority of the IWC's Scientific Committee, and the Commission itself, have repeatedly said that this "scientific whaling" has contributed little or nothing either to information needed for proper management of any renewed whaling under Article V of the ICRW or to better scientific knowledge about whales in general. In particular, reviews carried out by the Scientific Committee have shown unequivocally that the JARPA (Japanese Whale Research Program under special permit in the Antarctic) programme has failed to attain any of its originally stated objectives" Source: https://www.asoc.org/advocacy/antarctic-wildlife-conservation/southern-ocean-whale-sanctuary https://www.asoc.org/advocacy/antarctic-wildlife-conservatio...
    - doall 8y ago
      >Not. Your precondition was not that. It was more like "If the company is obeying the japanese government" or the "japanese law" then is fine for Japanese to hunt this whales Again false. The precondition of the comment you said incorrect was never like that. Next time you post any comments, please read out loud and be more careful :(

by doall 8y ago

pvaldes 8y ago

Except that this species is not a property of the government of Japan, neither lives only in Japanese waters, nor are caught (only) in Japanese coast. So the "not your bussiness" claim is incorrect here.

doall 8y ago
I stated a precondition, "if the company is obeying the laws and it's just an emotional thing". So if that precondition is not true as you might consider, then your claim 'So the "not your business" claim is incorrect here' is incorrect.
- pvaldes 8y ago
  Not. Your precondition was not that. It was more like "If the company is obeying the japanese government" or the "japanese law" then is fine for Japanese to hunt this whales in Antarctic waters But is more complicated than that. Maybe you don't know that In 1994 the IWC (International Whaling Commission) created the SOWS (Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary). The countries in the IWC decided to forbid commercial whaling in those waters. Those are the summer feeding fields needed for a big percentage of the extant populations of big cetaceans to survive. Whales need to feed almost continuously without being disturbed in summer because they will fast later for several months when breeding. A zero catch quota for minke whales was stablished, only allowing to kill a small number for scientific purposes. On March 2014 the International Court of Justice agreed with Australia that the number of Japanese scientific research publications were not proportionate to the number of animals killed (and sold as meat in the japanese market) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctuary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctuary "The research conducted in the Antarctic over the last two decades under Article VIII of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling has involved the killing of nearly 10000 minke whales and 13 fin whales. The majority of the IWC's Scientific Committee, and the Commission itself, have repeatedly said that this "scientific whaling" has contributed little or nothing either to information needed for proper management of any renewed whaling under Article V of the ICRW or to better scientific knowledge about whales in general. In particular, reviews carried out by the Scientific Committee have shown unequivocally that the JARPA (Japanese Whale Research Program under special permit in the Antarctic) programme has failed to attain any of its originally stated objectives" Source: https://www.asoc.org/advocacy/antarctic-wildlife-conservation/southern-ocean-whale-sanctuary https://www.asoc.org/advocacy/antarctic-wildlife-conservatio...
  - doall 8y ago
    >Not. Your precondition was not that. It was more like "If the company is obeying the japanese government" or the "japanese law" then is fine for Japanese to hunt this whales Again false. The precondition of the comment you said incorrect was never like that. Next time you post any comments, please read out loud and be more careful :(